This screen shot using Poly Silk with Mylar @ the back.

I dont know my camera cant capture the actual picture because the actual picture is much brigther and Clear
I'm using Nikon coolpix 700 with iso 100 on the setup,

I didnt have the put the Blackout cloth for comparison, it cant compete the result using silk


I'm have three more Cloth to be tested, Acrobat , trapeze plus & Brilliance Plus from DAZIAN

Image on the FACE has a mylar @ the back of the Silk.

more sample....

Anyone has an Idea how to post a picture Bigger than 100k.

That looks really good!! And fairly simple to do.

Where are you buying the material, the cost, and what sizes are available?

WWW.DAZIAN.COM

SIZE - 130" x 1 YARD - 50 YARD

Jazzkool,
What kind of mylar did you ues behind the screen? Is it the mirror-like?
It looks like a great image.
nvl

JAZZKOOL_2005

Looks Promising - did you get free samples from Dazian ?
Well done for trying this, looking forward to comparison results.

Are any of the different materials quite translucent if held up to light ?

A possible issue is getting the Material and Mylar to sit flat and even when making a big screen.

Dazian just sent me a free sample size is too small to test, 6" X 9", so I order 1 yard for each Cloth I plan to Test, and I'm working on 7' x 9' Frame for the Screen this weekend.

is getting Mylar sit flat on the screen is possible? - There is a thousand ways to do it, If you can Build a DIY Projector, there is no reason not to make the mylar sit flat on the screen...

3M Spray adhesive #77...
I have been looking into this as well. I had been looking at high sheen, high TC, polyester white sheets, AKA PsuedoSilk. I figured the sheen would be good for gain. Even just doubling up a regular sheet does well. I was thinking of attaching a few sheets of survival mylar to the rear of one of the sheets. The only problem is rolling it up. My house has to have a roll up screen. How about a cotton sheet with a bright silver silk sheet sewn in behind it?

hmmm..... thats not a bad idea...I have to have a roll-up screen too...in older houses there just is no wall witout a window in it it seems like ..I know pbmaxx said something about some silver fabric at walmart but I've never gotten around to looking at it..he was using/going to use it with some acrylic(?) fabric and the maxxmudd..but this sounds more "roll uppable".... just wonder how you could bond the two...that adhesive would work between 2 sheets of fabric you think?

It would definitely work, but Im not sure how it would stand up to washing. One of the big considerations for me was a washable screen due to tiny little hands. In my mind, I see a bright silver satin sheet sandwhiched between a 220 TC on the front and a 400-660 TC on the back, or maybe a rubberized white material. They would only be attached on a slot formation at the top and the bottom. Top one is for the hanger rod and the bottom would most likely have a heavy piece of pipe in it to stretch out the material. No glue.

I was also toying with the idea of using higher temp bulbs and offsetting the color shift with a different color rear sheet. Dont know if it would work, but anythings worth a try...

Its promising, but I think hotspoting will be an issue here. I dont have any mylar but I got a mirror and some silk, will make some tests...

well, fortunately , I don't have that issue to deal with anymore..though mine own hands be quite grubby at time so you think 220 count sheet would be good? silk or satin or?(I'm no good at fabrics..no idea what the difference is)

Im thinking 220 because of the amount of passthrough that I experience with a single sheet projection. Cotton would be fine. I think satin on top might be a little flashy. So the layering would be 220 then the satin. then the ultra dense material. Kind of a rollable light fusion screen. The 220 would allow a certain amount of light through which would then bounce off the high sheen satin back at the user...

...maybe

and best of all, I think I could talk my wife into that idea and even enlist her help she's quite the crafty vixen....

Thank goodness for those silk sheets, eh?

'zactly

Could give "hitting the sheets" a whole new meaning!

Hey, hey, hey, lets keep it family friendly, there are young PJ builders here.

Hmmmm....its a bit of a stretch, but I figure if there are young'ins here who are smart enough to follow the guide, then they can probably tell you all about the fresnels and the triplets...

And remember girls MEN when you go into the fabric retailers, wear some really mucho cloths and use the line “my wife would like some…….”.
I don’t know about you MEN in the USA, but here in OZ I always get a feeling that all the women in the shop are watching me, probably my good looks.

DJ

another sample with Blackout Cloth Insert, for comparisson Click to view attachment

If you email me the pics I'd be happy to host them on my webspace indefinitely. There are plenty of other free hosting options as well.

more picture

white color sample..

more sample....Click to view attachment

Those pictures look great JAZZ, what specific fabrics (color etc.) are you testing?

http://www.dazian.com/cgi-bin/page.pl?acti...d=186&cat_id=71

Right now I'm testing the POLYSILK but i will have to test some more Fabric like ACROBAT 108, BRITE SCREEN, TRAPEZE for Projection.

Jazzkool,

What's the viewing angle for the polysilk with mylar.

I would be curious to know the grade and type of mylar you are using?

SJ

It from Metalic Christmas Wrapper, I use the Back Side, Dont know what Grade is it.


The Viewing Angle is the same as the Blackout Cloth, i take some side-view picture tonigth

Excellent! I have looked at everything from aluminum foil to mylar survival blankets. Im trying to find something that can take repeated rollings and unrollings. Just out of curiosity, what happens if you reinforce the BOC with the mylar back? Is the cloth too thick to make a difference?

SJ

This looks like it will be very nice elegant and easy screen.

Now how about a silk black fusion version?

RG & B textile dyes...

A double use screen with a white silk and a black silk rolldown cover for the mylar?

I expect this material is synthetic "silk" so getting the dye to set well might be difficult.

What size mylar are you using? The widest I have found on ebay is 55" but it is only 1 mil. The largest 2 mill stuff I have found was 50"

since it is used just as the reflective back, could you get away with seams in the reflective part?

I could take the back of my BOC, glue the mylar to it, layering or otherwise making a nice seam to get a bigger "mirror" then attaching in some fashion the "silk".

Then I could still have the use of my BOC if all else failed.

Would BOC, mylar, latest MMud work on a roll up version? or would the MMud start flaking off the mylar?

rearden

Jazz, your Silk Fusion® screen is the grooviest thing I've seen in a long while. Bright, simple, easy, flexible, no veiwing angle and no painting. Way to go!

Please, if you have the time and inclination, post your results in the AVS Forums DIY screen section.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=110
Those guys will love it!

If the mylar is only a backing will seams matter??? I don't think a PolySilk without image has been posted but when I think of silk I would think that it would be opague enough to hide seems of overlaped mylar so width shouldn't matter.

Metalic Christmas Wrapper? I wonder then, would commercial grade aluminium foil work as well?

Here in Australia we have a store called spotlight that sell all sorts of different fabric. They have a section that has a variety of unusual decorative fabrics. Some of these may be able to be used to make the reflective backing for your screen. One that I noticed was very reflective. It is made up of very small segments of what appears to be reflective Mylar glued to some sort of backing cloth. It looks very simular to a silvery small scaled fish. Because they are fabric they could easily be rolled up without damage. Maybe you have a simular shop where you live.

DJ

try the mirrored window tint with the backing left on it will be more ridged, or the mirror mylar from a hyponic store.

Have you built a full size screen with the mylar yet? I tried, and found it impossible to stretch across a frame. It kept ripping and the wrinkles were impossible to get out. Just wondering what I could use instead of mylar, without going the mirror or acrylic route.

I just order this 5 MIL SILVER (Coated both sides) Great for making mirrors. Cant wait to test it with my Poly Silk screen..

http://www.mirrorsheeting.com/

Thanx for the link, I think i'm gonna order me some. I'd like to get the 5mm but the width is too small for my screen, do you think seams would show? The 7mm is available in the larger width, I think I may go with that. I made a test screen with mylar and wax paper, up against my blackout screen and was very impresed with the results, especially the whites. I believe this screen will be a good investment even if it costs $100 to make.

Someone asked about a simple experiment with a sheet and some mylar. I have been playing around with various backings. You can find comparison photos here.

more picture with New Material, Drawer Plastic Cover

ask your wife about it, sometime they use on the Cabinet to cover the wooden layer before they put something on it.

more...

more picture, it just plain Drawer Plastic Cover without a MYLAR, Next Time test it with a Mylar at the Back

you mean like contact paper? is it adhesive? do you know a brand name? walmart?

You really need a different test image, the problem is the Silk/Mylar and BO sections are of a different contrast and brightness to the Drawer Plastic Cover - giving it (I would think) an advantage...

or you could just arrange them in diffrent fashions maybe clockwise but from what i see it looks good