neorazz
Dec 11 2005, 03:29 PM
this is my second attempt at this i built a nearly working model before finding this site using the plans on tom's hardware i was still running into ffc issues on a eizo l365 (to short in optical path)
i had search at the time for an extension but didn't find the right information and attempted to solder my own extension after 22 solder points the only picture i got was a soildid red line down the middle let the project sit there in hopes that someday i might get the idea of making it work and a light fell in the middle of the panel and cracked the lcd

lcd panel on old school projector bed

same showing ffc and board black out in top right
this is where this project starts i have another of the same model eizo l365
first i need to get an ffc extenter from the store and take care of that if that goes well and i don't have to find a diffrent screen i'll move on to step two construction
Spat
Dec 12 2005, 08:43 PM
QUOTE (pagercam @ Dec 12 2005, 08:38 PM)

Do not post 5Mpixel images down scale to something like 640x480, these pictures that don't show anything are 2MB in size!
Ouch.!!!
Please resize your images...
can't appreciate when we have to scroll to see them!
neorazz
Dec 12 2005, 11:50 PM
stripped down lcd today took pictures (now sized down for dial up wusses with small monitors)
it's a
eizo l365
resolution : 1024 x 768
size : 15" actuall measurement 12 1/8 x 9 1/8 visable
12 3/4 x 10 1/8 edge to edge
contrast: 450:1
response time : 25 ms
[edit]
this doesn't matter anymore this lcd got destroyed and i moved into a viewsonic vg150
Viewsonic VG150
Contrast Ratio: 350:1
Reponse Time: 30ms
Size:15 in.
FFC Issue: NO
neorazz
Dec 12 2005, 11:51 PM
just for refrence
i have ordered the ffc extension from the ll shop hopefully that will cure that problem
16 pin .5
this post illreivant now that im uning the viewsonic with no ffc issues
neorazz
Dec 15 2005, 04:44 AM
i got my ffc extension cable works grat first try

well this is about as good as you can get with the old ohp deal

using a dys bulb (don't waste your time there too dim and very yelllow )
neorazz
Dec 15 2005, 05:06 AM
SethAce
Dec 15 2005, 02:46 PM
Wow, and you were making fun of dial up wusses, you should hang your head in shame....
But you have a new start!!
Good going as of yet!
Keep up the good work
neorazz
Dec 15 2005, 06:42 PM
QUOTE (SethAce @ Dec 15 2005, 09:46 AM)

Wow, and you were making fun of dial up wusses, you should hang your head in shame....
But you have a new start!!
Good going as of yet!
Keep up the good work

as you can tell from my design i graduated from mit
macgyver institute of technology
Just doing what i can with what i got
tommrow i'll go get a job so i can buy parts for my projector
even unemployed i still have high speed !!
neorazz
Dec 15 2005, 10:39 PM
i've spent most of the day reading the pun15ers plog
the whole day reading plogs
i think im gonna do the vertical rod thing that seems to be the most adjustable internal design
as for the exterior all input is welcome
im thinking wire mesh and fiberglass three layers some bondo (carbon fiber top coat maybe)
anyone have a new concept for exterior shape ?
i just need to get the creative juices flowing while i sit here with what will probably turn into a lung infection as i gough out unholy through goblins
neorazz
Dec 16 2005, 10:08 PM
todays update today i decided to try the water method and strip off my anti glare photos to follow (or various explitives)
neorazz
Dec 17 2005, 05:15 PM
i just finish removing my ag last nigh using marks water method i took pictures as refrence
1. you can clearly see the edge of the ag layer
2. after taping of edges to keep any excess water away from curcuit boards i applied wet towels
3. using a plastic straw to even the water dispursion and make sure all areas are in even contact with the ag
4. using cotton shop cloths i added 3 more layers adding water and rolling out air pockets and keeping water even
5. two hours in i used a razor on a non image area (be carefull lay off the caffine) and peeled up the corner
then i could pull on the plastic it was still adheared pretty good so i let it sit
6.-7. after 4 hours 17 minutes the glue had mostly weakend and i was able to peel film off it was about the consistancy of pealing a static sticker off of glass i had no glue residue left on lcd to clean up at all
this may indicate that other attemps have soaked to long allowing the glue to start
8. glare diffrence before and after
my picture is much much brighter 30% and the contrast is as much better also
neorazz
Jan 19 2006, 11:54 PM
got a job (

well at least my wifes happy)
and ordered everything i need to finish this projector from the LL store
t15 bulb, socket, and ballast
first side mirror
t15 reflector
uv sheet
2 pcac fans
and i splurged and got the wiring kit just to make it look pretty


{edit} six months later no job again but plenty of time to work on my projector
neorazz
Feb 5 2006, 09:46 PM
my lcd decided it didn't want to be part of my project so i invited a new panel from viewsonic to join (vg150 ) if your keeping track
also have decided to split each part of the project into a module and finish it as much as possible
the modules are
light box / bulb mount /base / lower mirror mounts / refletor mount
cooling system / air flow path / cpu control temp sensors over heat bulb switch
upper folded path front side mirror mount
lens mount / motor focus control
frensel mounts
lcd mount / lcd pcb mount
exterior case
(may look something like this)
indivual modules to follow
neorazz
Feb 5 2006, 10:01 PM
light box / bulb mount /base / lower mirror mounts / reflector mount 
rough concept drawing of mirrors in lightbox

proof of concept

optical path as shown with a laser

when it's done there ain't no way out for light but straight up
to do :
modify bulb mount to center bulb focus
cut mirrors to fit in box and for air flow
neorazz
Feb 5 2006, 10:06 PM
upper folded path front side mirror mount
mirror mount concept

rear and a good view of the pivot

the other side
to do
cut front side mirror to fit and epoxy to H support
did a test run with my epoxy and glass it holds like super glue
neorazz
Feb 5 2006, 10:11 PM
lens mount / motor focus control 
concept

temp setup to test distance and angles
to do
finish a prototype with drive
neorazz
Feb 5 2006, 10:33 PM
neorazz
Feb 5 2006, 10:33 PM

finished maybe ?

as we see here the base is pushed out to far and will have to be shifed back a good distance
a quick redesign will fix this shortly
neorazz
Feb 5 2006, 11:58 PM

added tabs to back and pulled the bulb to center NICE
neorazz
May 15 2006, 11:09 PM
after a hiatus im back on this project i'll be fixing all the missing pictures and trying to get this monster done by may 24th
LOST SEASON FINALE PARTY
FreeWilly
May 15 2006, 11:28 PM
can you fix your pictures ?
I can not see any pictures but the ag removal.
neorazz
Jun 3 2006, 04:34 AM
QUOTE (FreeWilly @ May 15 2006, 07:28 PM)

can you fix your pictures ?
I can not see any pictures but the ag removal.
there ya go
neorazz
Jun 3 2006, 04:59 AM
ok i skipped ahead a bit with no photos
heres the base light area as a near finish

bulb warming up

bulb at near full intensity (filtered to show image)
neorazz
Jun 3 2006, 05:01 AM
here are some pics of my failed focus system on two rails
this is in the process of a redesign
TESCORP
Jun 8 2006, 05:02 PM
Are you getting any ghosting with the mirror setup? looks like you will have three points of light for the rear fresnel to "see"
Are you using a router for the rabbet in the wood frame for your lens? if so you should invest in a hole saw and a rabbet bit with a bearing, you will get a perfect circle and a perfect rabbet cut.
Have you started the enclosure yet? Fiberglass, messy.
Looks like you have come a long way from the start, btw, nice masking tape job in the earlier version. You have earned your MIT degree!!!!! I loved that show. I've "macgyvered" quite a few things in my life.
FreeWilly
Jun 8 2006, 10:54 PM
QUOTE (TESCORP @ Jun 8 2006, 10:02 AM)

btw, nice masking tape job in the earlier version. You have earned your MIT degree!!!!! I loved that show. I've "macgyvered" quite a few things in my life.
I have used masking tape extensively in my pj also from covering holes to taping lcd and frez to frame to making air tunnel to direct fresh air. my 1" masking tape was not wide enough so I taped them side by side to make them wide. I even held my field frez by masking tape for keystoning so that I can adjust on the fly.
fw
TESCORP
Jun 9 2006, 04:47 AM
I love masking tape as much as duct tape, in pj1 I used silver duct tape to seal off the leaks around my control panel, and to hold my intake "hood scoop" to the enclosure. masking tape, the DIY'ers best tool! lol.
neorazz
Jun 10 2006, 03:03 AM
QUOTE (TESCORP @ Jun 8 2006, 01:02 PM)

Are you getting any ghosting with the mirror setup? looks like you will have three points of light for the rear fresnel to "see"
Are you using a router for the rabbet in the wood frame for your lens? if so you should invest in a hole saw and a rabbet bit with a bearing, you will get a perfect circle and a perfect rabbet cut.
Have you started the enclosure yet? Fiberglass, messy.
Looks like you have come a long way from the start, btw, nice masking tape job in the earlier version. You have earned your MIT degree!!!!! I loved that show. I've "macgyvered" quite a few things in my life.
i plan on using some sticky aluminum tape for ventilation and light blocking
and as long as the lower frensel is focused correctly you don't see any ghosting if it's in backwards you get three spots on the celing
i used a jig saw for the full cut and a dremmel i modified with a router bit for the depth part what is this rabbet you speak of ?
and i have a method for fiberglass i will be realving as soon as i get to construting / taking pictures it's quite simple and not messy (i still recomend rubber gloves)
neorazz
Jun 10 2006, 03:31 AM
heres a piece of metal i drilled holes in to make circles

heres a handy tool i found to determine exact angles in a folded design
neorazz
Jun 10 2006, 03:34 AM
the new lens mount

and the rail system
neorazz
Jun 10 2006, 03:36 AM
full in

full out 3" travel
neorazz
Jun 10 2006, 03:38 AM
focus mech first test

and the full beast early view
neorazz
Jun 10 2006, 03:40 AM
obligitory test shots
JAMES BOND (ps2)

DarkMeat
Jun 10 2006, 04:24 AM
QUOTE (neorazz @ Jun 9 2006, 11:40 PM)

obligitory test shots
JAMES BOND (ps2)


Good to see you have some images up but I do have one area of concern that you may or may nt have addressed. The sliding mechanism seems to be very close to the sides of your triplet. Did you have any shadows or light blockage? If so the it still looks like you have space to move them more to the sides if you have to.
I'm alost not sure if you still have your fresnels split in a vertical setup the usplit in my seemed easier to align plus the brightness was great. You have the pro lense which means you should be able to get brighter results as soon as you start tweaking. Just write down your fresnel to bulb distance when tweaking it'll make it alot easier down the line to see when figuring out your best alignments.
neorazz
Jun 10 2006, 01:16 PM
QUOTE (DarkMeat @ Jun 10 2006, 12:24 AM)

Good to see you have some images up but I do have one area of concern that you may or may nt have addressed. The sliding mechanism seems to be very close to the sides of your triplet. Did you have any shadows or light blockage? If so the it still looks like you have space to move them more to the sides if you have to.
I'm alost not sure if you still have your fresnels split in a vertical setup the usplit in my seemed easier to align plus the brightness was great. You have the pro lense which means you should be able to get brighter results as soon as you start tweaking. Just write down your fresnel to bulb distance when tweaking it'll make it alot easier down the line to see when figuring out your best alignments.
well it's the standard lens not the pro and when i temped up a box out of cardbord to block all the light leaks
i don't see any effects from the rails everything is adjustable just for that reason
also as alignment goes pun15er pretty much had all the measurments exactly right i just leveled the bottom most plate measured all the corners for each plate and leveled it out set the fold mirror at 50° and the triplett at 10° and all i had to do was adjust the focus one it was all assembled and i had a good picture
neorazz
Jun 10 2006, 01:28 PM
TESCORP
Jun 11 2006, 04:40 PM
The final result of your focus mech looks much better, BTW, you are using the standard triplet, I believe you have it installed backwards.
pun15her
Jun 11 2006, 09:16 PM
Nice work,neorazz.
I hate to say it,but TESCORP looks to be correct about the triplet orientation,the lip on the standard lens faces forewards.
I got a great image from those dimensions,but after some tweaking, the lamp to rear fres distance went down from 220mm,to around 210mm.Just one thing to try when you get the chance.
Excellent work though,keep it up!!
Cheers P
neorazz
Jun 12 2006, 06:02 AM
the

lens goes the other way round ?
how did i miss that ? i've tried it both ways in the early stages it didn't seem to make a diffrence
does it affect focal distace ?
and hey did you get a brighter picture when you dropped the frensel 10 mm ?
cause i just measured the 220 from the arc of the lamp stright up to the frensel i have to re measure to see what my exact distance is between the frens and the lamp is
TESCORP
Jun 12 2006, 06:24 AM
Yes, the lens is designed to work with the flange facing forward, The pro lens installs the other way.
220mm is a starting point for the rear fresnel because this is the focal distance of the lens, you need to try different distances of the bulb until its bright enough, you may not need to move it at all. I have had good luck using 220mm for my distance bulb to fresnel, I have the ability to move the bulb in my designs but so far I havent had to move it.
neorazz
Jun 12 2006, 03:19 PM
ok i measured out everything this morning so theres a baseline # as i try to fine tune

but first im going to flip the triplett around
neorazz
Jun 14 2006, 11:48 PM
busted out my chepo lux meter i got last winter from hong kong did some random lux readings
direct sunlight pointing meter at noon sun 111100
lamp warmup 3000 full intensity 8300
measured in optics path just before triplet 14,000
ambient light in projector room daytime 5 night 0 not enough to register anything
my regular 27 " tube tv 18 darkest spot 300 brightest spot sustained i did see it spike at over 500 but this is a cheep meter
projections at screen
with lcd off 45 lcd on white 40 as an average i ahven't done the 9 spot ansi stuff yet
as a comparison i measured
100w bulb 23,000 75w 21,000
my color cell phone screen 150
so im not sure what to make of these readings
neorazz
Nov 9 2008, 03:02 AM
wow two years and i still haven't made a case for this projector yet
adhd sucks all my projects reach 90% and linger for eternity
i never finish anythi
InSomnYak
Nov 9 2008, 03:35 AM
QUOTE (neorazz @ Nov 9 2008, 02:02 PM)

wow two years and i still haven't made a case for this projector yet
adhd sucks all my projects reach 90% and linger for eternity
i never finish anythi
Hang in there mate. I'm in the same boat.
Just focus on one thing at a time. It's easy to get 'caught up' in the millions of things that need to be done to build a PJ.
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