http://www.samsung.com/ca/products/monitor...17depqaqxaa.asp

damn I wonder if that sucker is stripable, a 1500:1 8 ms display with pro lenses would probably make for a damn nice unit.

Pricey though, the only place I have seen them online in my area is ncix.com they are on sale this week from $541.27 for $399.99

So even the sale price is far more then most 17 inch panels.

Nice. It's also magical:

"It features an ultra narrow and slim design with MagicStand. This also has Samsung’s MagicBrightTM and MagicTuneTM, MagicColor, MagicPivot and MagicZone technologies."

Let's hope the specs aren't smoke and mirrors.

Seems like a typo. I can't find this model on the US Samsung site and all 8ms response time panels have a much lower contrast ratio (like 600:1).
The 193P+ (19" version I guess) is 20ms @ 1000:1.

Of the 17"s we have the following:
740T is 25ms @ 1500:1
740B is 8ms @ 600:1
713BM is 8ms @ 700:1
730B is 8ms @ 600:1

8ms @ 1500:1 sound very suspicious (for now).

Not a typo, the 173P+ just isn't available in the US. That will surely change but it's kinda fun...sorry
The 1500:1, 8ms specs are repeated wherever this unit is sold. Note this is the 173P+ (plus!) I'm not saying Samsung isn't claiming overly optimistic specs, I'm just saying this product does exist and is available. I have seen stores that I trust claim to have it in stock ready to ship, same day. I read in another thread that these types of response times are through some electronic intelligent estimation of future movement. uh what? and the "response" could be measured like "from one grey to another". :angry: So it's not a typo but possibly suspicious.

It's funny, everyone claims response time is important but I haven't yet seen anyone say they have acual problems with it in a PJ, regardless of what they have... The contrast is an interesting claim though and I don't think you can lie as much there. I think it will be really interesting to see the results once someone tries this one out... (If you find someone who has, please link.)

Yeah it's magic everything! lol, gimme a break!

I want to quote my starcraft marines when i pump them up "Ahhh, thats the stuff!"

This is a canadian model. I will sit on my wallet for the widescreen version. Most home electonics have the new model early in the year.

If you want 1:

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku...ng&promoid=1006

Maybe i'll head down to the store to see it...

That kind of crazy high contrast ratio makes me think they're talking about dynamic contrast ratio, not static, but I could be wrong. Their "Magic Zone" technology looks suspiciously like dynamic contrasting though. Dynamic contrast ratio isn't quite as meaningful as static. (they dim the back light and open up the brighter areas dynamically to try to make the blacks look blacker) Now that I think about it, any kind of dynamic contrasting will mess up your image brightness since the LCD no longer has control over the source lighting in our projectors. That might be something we need to look out for since its becoming more and more common on LCDs.

They also talk about "mid-level" response time (grey-to-grey), but they don't make it clear that they're quoting black-to-white or grey-to-grey. Not sure which number they're quoting for what.

What could be the worst-case scenario in a PJ?

Our images could become overly bright?

The latest commercial LCD PJ's have a form of dynamic contrast in which they use a variable aperature to decrease the light output in dark scenes. This produces deeper blacks and improves the contrast ratio without degrading the image. It allows them to conversely use more light in bright scenes.

Is that what you are thinking of? Or something entirely different for LCD monitors?

I don't know much about dynamic contrasting in LCDs, but it may not be a bad thing. If I understand LCD lighting correctly, the pixels are basically light gates that are controlled to somewhere between 0 degrees (all light goes through) and 90 degrees (all blocked). So, if the LCD were to try to dim its backlight (which it now has no control over) and open up the brighter areas more, that would probably be a good thing. It may wash out some of the greys or darker colors, but a lot of people would probably not mind that to get better light yield in scenes with both very dark/black and very bright areas. So your color rendering probably won't be as accurate, but I'm not certain.