Has anyone stripped any model of a 17" widescreen LCD TV, and used it for a LL projector? I'm thinking this is the only way for me to be able to hook up an HDTV set top box and display it...

I'm thinking of buying one, just looking for info on FFC compatibility and such...

Thanks!

Anyone try on of these? Viewstar T1780, shows as HDTV compatible, 16ms, not too expensive...

I'm at the same point--where can we read discussion on PJ builders who have built machines around LCDs that do the following:

- display HDTV from non-PC sources
- component inputs to accept progressive scan from combo DVD/VCR machines

* no VGA input required

I already have a 20" LCD TV with component inputs I bought a few months ago for the kitchen that I considered stripping, but read that it is limited to 800*600 and has a contrast ratio of 450:1, so it may not be that ideal.

Except for the contrast ratio (450:1--is that too low?), the ViewStar you pointed out seems interesting. There are 10 available from a seller on Ebay for $296.99 each. Here are the specs:

Model Number：
T1780
Product：

Display Size：
17 inch
Resolution：
1280* 1024
Brightness：
250cd/㎡
Contrast ：
450:1
Response Time ：
8-16ms
Viewing Angle：
70 / 70 degree 70 / 70 degree
Input Terminal：
VGA D-sub,DVI,S-video,Composite,CATV,HDTV
Dimension&Weight：
575mm(L)X510mm(H)X135 mm(D) 5.0KGS
Wall Mount ：
Yes
Others：
1)3:2 pull down for DVD player support
2)Buttons and IR interface
3)Full Function Easy to use IR/OSD
4)Multi-Language selection of OSD
5)HDTV 480i/p, 576i/p, 720i/p, 1080i
6)Channel auto scan surpport
7)NTSC, Closed Caption, V-chip support (Optional)
8)PAL/SECAM withTeletext support (Optional)
9)VHF& UHF Channels
10)5W / 5W R / L Channel, Hi-Fi Stereo sound effect
11)RCA Jack for Audio In
12)Earphone Jack
13)MTS＋SAP Stereo for NTSC / NICAM Stereo for PAL
14)Phone Jack Audio Out



Anyone have thoughts on this?

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Yeah, that the seller's 93$ shipping cost to Canada is bullshit!

I've narrowed my choice to four:

Viewsonic N1750W - perfect, has everything; 12ms, 600:1, DVI-HDCP, component

Sony MFMHT75W - same deal, 16ms, 800:1, DVI-HDCP, component

Dell W1700 - looks OK, but 25ms and no HDCP on DVI, making it useless

Viewsonic N1700W - same deal, no HDCP

The first two look great, but the Viewsonic is ~450$ on eBay and the Sony ~599$... So it'll wait for a while.

Excellent. These LCDs are a great place to start. I really don't want to run the HT in the living room off a PC. I do want progressive scan and HDTV performance, even though my family doesn't currently subscribe. I guess the next question is "strippability". I should probably make sure I can live with whatever I buy as a non-projector in case it doesn't strip since ~$500 starts to resemble an investment.

-coma

A user found a daewoo moniter that has 720p support, so with a simple transcoder it should make for a nice progressive scan HDTV monitor. Might want to take a look into that. A transcoder is around 60 and the moniter is a bit over 200.

Cheers

Which model?

Also, it looks like the Viewstar is a bust:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16824208002

Is what he reported displayed black bars. I have not confirmed myself.

Found the PLOG, but what I'm wondering is whether he tested with a PC or external. If it's just with a PC, doesn't mean anything...

If it's transcoder and VGA, then bingo!

I also just noticed genesis, the same company that makes the gm1601 that drives the wuxga panels minoten sells, aslo makes the gm5321 HDCP compliant board that can drive up to 1280x1024. Might be a good option for running HD receivers into 1280x1024 panels and be able to get true HDCP compliant 720p.

In case any of you guys are willing to try it, the N1750W is on sale right now for 350$, 100$ mail-in rebate at any Viewsonic reseller... Good until October 31st.

And I just noticed the Westinghouse LCM-17w7 shown in this PLOG uses that exact chipset. I will check if it might make it 720p compatible.

EDIT - From reading review and documentation on Google, it looks as though this thing is HD compatible, can't get specifics though, the manual is terrible. The PLOG shows it uses the Genesis 5321 chipset mentionned above, so if it turns out to be HDCP compliant and HD compatible it would be kickass, cheap too, 229.99$ at Best Buy.

I've emailed Westinghouse, will post result.

I'm with you on this approach. I got a HDMI dvd player and im looking for the first HDMI HDTV LCDs to strip. Wow, so many acronyms to play high tech these days...

I do like ffdshow but i also want regular HDTV cable input. They better be out in time for the next superbowl!

Encouraging news, called Westinghouse directly, rep said the LCD was capable of 1080i, but wasn't sure of 720p.

Also said all their DVI inputs have "shake hands" technology (real technical fellow ), so I think it looks good for the HDCP!

I think I'll wait and see what their email customer rep says, but most likely order one.

Guess we'll have to actually try it, conflicting answers here...

hand shake technology just means that the Dvi can communicate with other devices very well. . It doesn't mean it decrypts HDCP. Some units have hand shake problems which doesn't allow them to communicate with different devices (Cable boxes, DVD players, etc) well so you don't get a picture on your LCD.

One thing to think about is the sony does not have the antiglare surface. They call it XBRITE technology, in case you weren't aware. Also if using the 17" daewoo with a transcoder as mentioned a couple of posts above it will only support 720p and not scale the 1080i, if i understand the process correctly. The sony says it will scale 1080i. I'm checking out the sony too but $599 is steep.

if it letterboxs 1280x720 from the PC

It will letterbox 1280x720 from the transcoder

assuming the transcoder outputs 60hz

does it?

explain to me how an LCD will scale a 1080 display, but NOT a 720 display - that doesn't make sense!??!

1280*720 is it's native resolution, what is there to understand? Obviously you can't fit 1920 pixels in a 17", so it has to resize it, if it doesn't it's because the controller doesn't know how.

By the way, I'm going to be buying the Viewsonic N1750W for Christmas, we'll see how it turns out for this application.

i have a sorce for 17,15,or 10 inch lcd http://mcm.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/mc...SKU=60-9899&N=0
it looks pricie but it has all the boards seperated and has multipl vid in and out plus audio if you can get catalogM103 it ia about 350 or so and they have a pic in catalog

That was my point - the post earlier said that it would scale 1080i, but maybe not 720p - that's what i didn't understand. I know resolution, just can't understand why a controller would scale one larger image, but not another. Plus, if it's native is 1280x720, that IS 720P - something isn't being understood here. I am referring to this quote:

[Encouraging news, called Westinghouse directly, rep said the LCD was capable of 1080i, but wasn't sure of 720p.]

This makes no sense to me - that's all i was referring to! -- It's really of no consequence. B)

Ricoks

No, you're right, it didn't, that's just what the rep told me. Logically, there's no reason it should do 1080i and not 720p.

The Sony 17" HDTV is on sale at circuit city for $539.99 + there is a 50$ mail in rebate bringing it down to $489.99. Yeah it's still expensive but all those inputs and it scales 1080i! I might have to try this out.

Or, get a refurb'ed N1750W from Newegg for 341$, that's what I'm getting for Christmas!

Nice deal thanks for letting me know. They have it new for 10 bucks more after a 100$ mir.

you could also look at
www.mcminone.com and try part # 60-9098 17" lcd with sound and s-vid and composit ins ect
if you need i can get you a discount (mayby)

I can't seem to find the part #??? Thakns for the offer though.

ok i scaned the pages of catalog and if you blow it up you can read the numers in black (hand writen) are what i pay

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ok it didnt work i can put it in word or if you know the trick to attach let me know or i can try to e-mail it

So is the N1750W HDCP compatible or not? On second look, does it even have a DVI connector?

I found the Sony at a local store and they're selling it for $489 and I've almost got myself convinced to go buy it and take it apart, but now I'm seeing the viewsonic for $349 after rebate and it's got me hesitating. Has anyone gotten into either of these panels yet?

What was the concern abou the XBRITE on the sony? Or is it that it'll be better since it doesn't have any antiglare on it?

i dont know if antiglare is a problem or not i think antiglare is just polerized

Yes, the N1750W has DVI with HDCP. I haven't gotten into it yet, planning to get it for Christmas.

Unless i'm mistaken it doesn't even have a DVI connector. Take a look at this, it is a brochure from Viewsonic that states the connectors it has. N1750W PDF Now it could be wrong of course, but unless you know someone who has one and they've used a DVI connection on it I would not count on it having the DVI connection. Even if it does have the DVI connection, it costs lots of money per LCD to license the HDCP protocol. Thats why usually you don't see a HDCP panel <$500. Again I could be wrong. All things aside, the price is good. Viewsonic is a good monitor company. and Component input will give you a 1080i picture. It may not be a digital one but it will still produce a picture thats probably the same quality. As long as your not running the component cables a long distance.

Hey there. My buddy let me take a part his Sony. I got all the way down to the panel/backlight combination and stopped there. I believe it can be stripped further and i did not see and ffc's in the way. I was under the impression that the viewsonic did not have dvi. The sony does, and with HDCP. I will be ordering one from amazon this week. I can post some pics of the strip maybe later tonight.

Where are you guys getting this? It's right here, in my thread on the N1750W.

With the DVI-HDCP, you're set, shouldn't even need component in...

Interesting. I checked out a couple of sites online and it never mentioned DVI HDCP. That makes a world of difference.

Davejcb, I see in the pdf you included where it says that it supports a DVI input, however, it does not list a DVI-D connector in the "connector" section. Maybe this means that it can accept a DVI signal if you input it as something else? I think I remember someone saying that you can get a DVI to component connector. Maybe it will accept something like that? The pdf that kefka linked didn't mention anything about DVI at all? I'm wondering if there's more to this story. Maybe there's a model with DVI and one without? Has anyone actually had one of these in their hands? Both pdfs have a pic with the connectors and neithers shows a DVI. Granted, they don't show the coax or vga connectors either.

Seems like Newegg is out of stock. boooo

Searched more, found this. Looks like there might be a DVI-less model, but the one Newegg has/had definitely had DVI, trust me on that one, I looked at it enough!

I'm calling you a liar! jk. Sucks that they don't have it anymore though.

Notice my PDF says N1750W-1 in the title up top, I'm gonna email Viewsonic and ask if there's two revisions of the monitor, sure looks that way right now.

Oh, and in my PDF you'll see under "Input" that there's a "Digital - DVI-HDCP".

There are 7 viewsonics on ebay and none of the listings mention DVI input. I'm not trying to be a partypooper; I just want to make sure I have all the facts before I drop $350 on something. If this panel has a DVI connection, I'm all over it.

Anyway, I'll be very interested to hear the reply to your email from viewsonic.

Just got a notice from Newegg, they'll be out of stock for at least two weeks. I'll post the reply from Viewsonic as soon as I have it.

Perhaps what is really going on is there are 2 monitors wih the same model. One of them is a revision probably. This is quite confusing for the common people really Clearly its not in my link but in the other. Also notice the other calls it a Nextvision monitor and my link did not. Sounds like you need to be REALLY careful which one you buy.

Well, I just took the plunge and bought a new SOny MFM-HT75w for 499$ shipped from amazon.com. There is a circuit city near me but i saved tax and the effort of mailing in the rebate by going with amazon. As I said, my friend has one and if it doesn't strip completely, I have one nice HDTV (my first hdtv! yay!). I'll be starting a plog soon so go there if you wanna see how the strip goes.

Good stuff! Post it ASAP.

Posted in plog section. Tv is arriving today!