Well here I go. I know about the LL standard lens with the larger freshnels blurred issue but who cares for now. Stood all I can stands and I can't stands no more.

First off is the part list.

Dell 1702fp
LL standard lens
LL light kit
Norpro 1.5 qt mixing bowl
Lexan from Home Depot
Walmart garbage can for heat box for light
IR sheet from LL
220mm & 330mm freshnels- both 395mmX395mm from 3Dlens
FFC cable from LL
Wood from Lowes for box
Custom made Haas style 17 inch box by Me.
Old style lens holder from Haas
Kingwin temperature controller
2 evercool fans- going to use just one if possible

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Haas Style

What a mess.

Looks like it coming together nicely, I've also have the stainless steel trash
can in my current pj design and I do belive because of it, it is easier to control the tempeture, it will be intresting to it applied to a Hass style box, keep up the good work

what fresnels etc are you going to use, it looks like th metal bin is massive. what is the length of the bin please, where did you get it, really great idea plus you have taken really good pics plus looks like you have all the right equiipment to get the jon done, can you please tell me what you are using to do the haas style box. would really appreciate it.

Most of your questions are answered already - take a look at his parts list above.

The trash can didn't look to massive until I set it into the pj. I now know it's way to long. The light would just make a circle on the lcd. I now shortened it to 43/4 inches. I believe that height will work. After all it is a diy trial and error pj.. Hopefully the heat shield idea will work awesome. I am going to locate the eballast directly behind it. (pics soon)

Well the haas box sides was measured with a chair (one end of the string, with my Mrs. help to keep the chair from moving or falling over was attached to it) and the 92 inch string with a loop to hold the pencil as I drew the arch for the wood and the arch varied with each inch to the string so I just kept making it longer to get the desired arch with the length of the box. 92 worked fine for me.
After marking I used a jig saw to cut it out. Then I used a hand held belt sander to smooth the jig saw mistakes and then I used my sears router to make the rounded edges.
The 1/8" router groove for the formica was hard to figure out how to do but look at the picture you'll see the wood left over from the arch as a guide for the groove. perfect. The router groove works great for the fresnels too.
The length of the pj is determined by the last fresnel and the type of lens used. My total box length is 36 inches to allow for the new lens once they are perfected. I will have to move the lens back into the pj box to get the correct focus for the standard lens. So I will have about 7 inches of box sticking out in front of the standard lens.
good luck with your pj. It's a lot of work to get it right.


One note on the lcd sled--- Allow for your lcd-fresnel-XL10 ventilation. Align the lcd higher to allow the air flow fresnel height. It has to have a gap under the fresnel to allow air to flow under it. I had to recut the sled under the fresnel to allow air to be able to flow under the fresnel and to go back out over the tempered glass. The lcd was mounted and I did not take it out. I used a dremmel tool to cut it out. Don't use the fiber discs next to the lcd they break and fly apart. I thought I had scratched my lcd.

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A Little GREEN around the gills.

Hey Kermit would be proud of ya,,,, green hehehh

or was Bruce swimming in real murky green water..

mine was green at first too,, but now is blinding white.....


geez your bin got real short,,

lol, I had to shorten my garbage can the light wouldn't engulf the lcd. I now have to put a heat shield on the top and bottom to protect the formica. It's starting to warp. oh well. project goes on. I'm having trouble with my ballast. It's making all kinds of weird noises. I emailed the sales department about it. More than likely it's just bad.

That looks like a nice stove you have there. Projector isn't too bad either.

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Most of my movie pictures are by using a Samsung DVD player only. No enhancements at all. They are 720p on hdmi.
Except the UT2004 shots - computer.

ffc picture

My new transcoder tv tuner ordered. Should be here in about a week.

http://www.allaboutadapters.com/5x1prviscsw.html

hey cold buddeh! Is that a good transcoder?


I'm looking for something that'll do all of that and put the images in widescreen (my monitor puts 720p in full screen stretched) that doesnt have any ghosting issues for FPS

By the way the build looks great! Have you seen mine lately?


keep it going!

As far as the transcoder goes I'll let you know. It says it should do all I need. We'll see in about a week. It has a return policy if it fails my expectations.
I posted a reply on your plog and I haven't been there in a while.

definatly do tell if that transcoder works out good, I'll pick one up if thats the case

any word yet cold? If it works out good I still want one!

It comes today sometime, I've been hearing Fed EX trucks all day. I'll post some late this evening.

awesome, I want a full detailed report mister!


Does it output 1280x720 (16:9) w/ the black bars? I was reading and thought it said 1280x1024 (4:3)

Update- Fed Ex is now on my black list. They didn't deliver it today. It's been in their delivery truck since 3:43am 3-18-06 and was scheduled to be delivered on 3-20-06 . Well guess what they didn't deliver. Sorry bunch of rascals.
I was so excited when the fed ex truck ran to my brothers. I ran down the hill and the fed ex lady told me she didn't have anything for me. She was from KY. and mine was coming from Tenn. on a different truck. Oh well maybe today. tracking says nothing now about delivering today. I'll chek in the morning. Hang in there ChristmasGT I'll get you some answers.

lol faster cold steel, faster!

btw look at my plogg tommorrow, I've been secretly tweaking the projector, and am picking up Elder Scrolls: Oblivion (gorgous game)


I look forward to hearing from you!!

I got it in and installed on my direct tv. The video quality it puts out is superb. The resolution goes all the way to 1280x1025 @75mhz refresh rate. My dell 1702fp easily handled any thing I put at it. I noticed some commercials are a little fuzzy on some channels but when I drop the res down to 800X600 it looks much better. It must over compensate. There is no glitches or sparkles of any kind. When it's in 4:3 tv mode it's way out of specs on my screen. My screen is setup for widescreen. There are certain programs and commercials that are broadcast in widescreen and they look awesome.

Here is what it broadcast in:
4 VGA/DVI Video output resolution settings:
1280x1024 at 60/75 Hz
1024x768 at 60/75 Hz
800x600 at 60/75 Hz
640x480 at 60/75 Hz

When it's in widescreen I don't notice any black bars.
I'm still hooking up things. I am hooking up my new xbox 360 and a free (if you fix it you can keep it) playstation 2. Both will be hooked up through the component cables and run through the vga output. It has dvi output but i'm not currently going to use it. My dvd which outputs through an hdmi cable is attached to my dvi input on my monitor.
Anyway just a quick post to keep in touch. CS

does it accept 1280x720?

no


I've not been able to get the xbox 360 to run in hdtv mode. I hooked up the dvi output on the transcoder and it still doesn't work. I've been doing some more reading and searching. I looked on the web site where I bought the transcoder and it says on the input side of the component that it accepts 480i. So evidently that's all it's going to accept.
I get a picture and can play the xbox360 games through the component hookup but I have to have the output on the xbox set to tv using the component cable.

This thing may go back to the seller. disappointed now. The xbox 360 may be hdcp compliant and not letting the component cable to go hdtv. still searching and it's not looking good.

Well Cold Steel orders this:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/x/xbox360vgahdcable/


it should take care of the problem for the xbox 360. 43.00 @CircuitCity

yes, thats what I have, the bad thing is if that transcoder doesn't accept True 720p (1280x720) then it may stretch it

Looks like im going to have to go the N6 route

hopefully no ghosting issues

Get this instead. It does everything the N6 does and more, it also does 3D motion adaptive de-interlacing.

I got the xbox360 vga adapter. My Mrs. drove for 2 hours and picked me one up at Circuit City. God bless my little woman.

I hooked it up to the Philps LCDT-7 transcoder and it put the picture on the wall. I don't have any settings other than brightness and contrast through the T-7 but the xbox360 has plenty of resolution settings in widescreen and normal. I put them all through the test. My dell lcd performed extremely well. I tried the 1280x720 setting from the xbox but it off-centered the screen. The T-7 was mostly a feed through for the xbox to put it to the lcd.
The best thing I've found out so far about the T-7 is allowing so many settings for a tv signal in upscale.
I now have my xbox pumping out a 1280x1024 in normal mode picture and I must say it truly is an awesome picture with no black bars. In widescreen mode at the same resolution it put the picture off the screen above and below it.
I guess I'll keep the T-7 transcoder just for the tv upscale. (Mrs. friendly) So now I have the T-7 attached from the vga output to my lcd monitor being fed signals from my direct tv - cable and I also have my sammy HD dvd player attached to my lcd monitor though the hdmi(sammy) to dvi cable(lcd). Now to work on the playstaion 2.

So general your saying the T7 is just good for upscaling a tv signal and will not be efficient for any gaming consoles or a regular DVD player?

that transcoder that blake posted doesnt seem too bad, it says it suppors 720p and 480p, now does it display them corretly w/l the black bars is key.

That's the exact one I got. Check the links url's.

The component input doesn't accept anything but 480i.
The T7 will output (upscale) 720p.

I have the xbox 360 ran through the pc connection on the vga side and it's truly an amazing picture in widescreen.

I'd say that's true. But there is an exception with the xbox 360 through the T7 vga output. I don't think it could get much better running in 1280X1024 @75mhz refresh. I hooked up the playstation 2 today and it played great but it doesn't come no where near the quality of picture the xbox 360 has.

My son brought the xbox360 game Outfit over today and playing that game on this setup is the only way to play it in my book. The machines were so big and the soldiers were the size of a regular man. The sound pumping through my 1000 watt Onkyo 7.1 was rocking the house (and neighbors)! wooot!

Simul8r I'll have to attach a regular dvd player (i have one that's not progressive I think) I will hook it up through the A/V connection or maybe the S-video and see how it goes.

Hey Steel. Nice work, thanks for the details on that box. It looked really promising, but expensive. That cable you got for the xbox 360....do you know if they make similar for the reg xbox?? I will look around myself as well. Thanks.
Bluto

I done a little searching for an xbox cable and no luck. It seems an adapter or an actual hdtv is what you need.
This article about the Neoya X2VGA adapter to convert the signal to vga says the xbox will display at 480i on startup and you'll have to go to xbox live and download a patch so you won't have to hook up your xbox to a tv and then start a game in the 480p resolution. This article explains a lot about the different gaming formats too.

I don't have one of these and they do make different adapters just for gaming consoles. HERE is the hookup diagram for the Neoya.

THIS article from Neoya's website says the X2VGA converter will display 480i at half screen and hold button down on it to view the other half. So the Playstation 2 can be compatable to use on it. It's about 65.00 through their site.
quote from there: "The Whole New X2VGA 2 is released! Purchase within limited time, you get a FREE Xbox component video cable(with digital audio output), and a "FREE" upgrade to express shipping!"
There is an excellent picture of the new one here with a diagram.

Quote: "Neoya is designed to work with any gaming console or video device that has a standard component video output, such as the the Playstation2, Xbox, GameCube, and Xbox 360, etc. With the X2VGA 2 and a standard VGA monitor, users can play their favorite games at 480p, 720p, or 1080i resolutions "

Funny I read that same article. They did a side by side of that and the vdigi. The vdigi won, BUT this new version has DOUBLE component IN!!! Dude, that rocks!! I can hook xbox and my HD Cable box at once!! The old version basically ONLY worked for xbox - thats it, they really upgraded that thing.
I just ordered it and can't wait. Thanks, I probably wouldn't have gone back to look at that thing with out your info! The order process didn't make the free shipping and cable seem like it was included, I sent a message asking about it, so we will see.
Thanks again.

YW Mr.Blutarski, I am thinking about ordering this one too. I'll wait and see how yours does. This project is starting to get expensive
I'm sure it will do the trick. I was hoping the T7 was going to take care of it but it didn't. 480P + is where it's at over 480i. It really makes a difference.

Most monitors do not support 480i.

I'm pretty sure mine does 480i.

Here is a couple xbox360 shots.

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LLove my pj.

GREATS SHOTS STEEL!

What resolution? and are you getting used to the FPS gamming style on such a large screen? Now I've got used to such a large screen, its very relaxing and comfortable, i love it!

CS,

Your box looks nice, its BIG, but it has that nice Haas shape!

BTW the edges of your picture look dark, is that because the silver can is interfering with the light from the bulb? Or is it just a matter of the AG not being remove?

Fulcrum

A little late but anyway, Thanks ChristmasGT , I've got it set to 1280x1024 through the vga cable. As far as the FPS I do ok with most but Unreal Tournament 2004 is such a fast paced game it's a little tough. I don't have my PC hooked to the PJ so I can't give any of my pc games pics up yet. I'll have to hook it up and do some shooting. lol

Thanks Fulcrum, actually I believe the corners are a little dim but not very noticible while playing or watching a movie. The AG will be removed when I change the lcd over to the new vertical box. Also I think the camera really doesn't catch the corner light well where it is so big of a picture. The trash can was much bigger and I had to cut it down because it blocked light but the angle of the light to the lcd isn't blocked any more. The picture is of the cut down one. Also I have never tweaked the light or anything. I just put it together and turned it on. Tweaking should give a better dispersion of light. Maybe in the vertical I'll tweak tweak tweak.

so how is the standard triplet focusing that 17 inch lcd on the corners? What if one was to care only about 16:9 content? would it be sharp all around?

Actually dracul2006 the very outside edges are a tiny out of focus but as you can see in my pictures the wide screen is not that noticible. Also the corners tend to be a little dark. Not like you see in some of the pictures the lighting is pretty well even overall.
In 4:3 they are really out of focus bad. The picture extends to the outside edges of the standard lens where it isn't designed for the 17 inch lcds.
ps. you won't notice any out of focus watching widescreen movies or playing games in widescreen. I am now building a vertical pj with the pro lens and fresnels. Hopefully even with a more sharper and vivid colors than I have now. (i'm also going to remove my antiglare before assembling the pro pj)

Thats good news because i only want to watch movies on it anyway.