I tried to feed my BENQ monitor with a DVI signal coming directly from my new DVD player (Samsung). BUT it did not work at all. The Samsung DVD player says that it protects the DVI signal to prevent video piracy, but I did not think that applied just watching on my LCD monitor.

I am guessing that the Samsung DVD Player did not detect my DVI connected BENQ LCD Monitor, and thus never activated DVI out.

Just a warning to not waste your time on this.

The interface is probably HDMI which is DVI + encryption, so it will play on a HDMI monitor but as far as I know there aren't any 15" or 17" computer monitors with HDMI support, I would assume that the combo TV monitor/ Computer monitors would support this so this may be a good reason to get one. It seems that 17" computer displays are $200-$300 but as soon as they have TV inputs they get bumped up to $500, so many of have been avoiding them due to the extra cost but maybe this is worth $200 to someone.

you probably have to change something basic in your dvd player's settings. i know i have to manually switch on component output/progressive scan on my dvd player (an old one), and i've experienced similar issues with hd stb's and dvd players. i imagine you will need to enable the dvi in a setup menu. shouldn't be too hard to do (setup, installation, etc)

At first I got excited, then I got to this part:



so yeah, no buying that thing for me. But pendulum is probably correct, there is a setting somewhere in your DVD player menu that will enable the DVI output. From what I read, HDMI is fully backwards compatible, so it should work even though you are using a HDMI-enabled DVD player.

What you are trying to do will never work. The output of the dvd player via dvi is a HDCP output. You have to have a HDCP compliant viewing device to see it. There is no current computer monitors that are HDCP compliant, you have to use a lcd tv that has a DVI-HDCP input.


peace

Yes the encoding is HDCP on the samsung as was mentioned.

BUT!!!!--- This other player has no HDCP on the DVI output

http://www.oppodigital.com/

Anyone care to experiment?? My Samsung experiment cost me $50 in shipping and restocking fees. Maybe someone else will give this a try and report to us all. I sure would like to find a generic DVI output with no protection.

Q: Does Oppo work with displays that have HDMI input?
A: Yes. HDMI is a superset of digital video interface with audio signals, and is backward compatible with DVI signals. The DVI output can be easily converted to HDMI using a DVI-to-HDMI converter, or a DVI/Male to HDMI/Male cable.

Q: Does OPDV971H support HDCP compliant digital video displays?
A: Yes, the OPPO OPDV971H does support HDCP compliant displays.

Of course it does. The signal being sent does not contain the HDCP keys so it can work with both a HDCP enabled viewing device and a non HDCP enabled device! Just like you can hook up a computer(no HDCP keys) to a HDCP device.

Here is a quote from the Secret's review:

So it will work with all displays that are both compliant and non compliant.


peace

But has anyone actually done it?

[quote=ktjensen,Jun 24 2005, 12:13 AM]
But has anyone actually done it?



Guys,
Do not loose any sleep over it. Since last year it is illigal to market DVD players in North America without HDCP compliance. Your best bet is to use a dvd player with VGA output. there is one avaible from Hong Kong.
I went through this with my LG DVD player. At least my Bell Expressvu HD satellite receiver will output a noncomplient DVI signal.
I read on a Hungarian website that somewhere in Europe the code is cracked but I have not seen details on the Internet.
So, the easiest until a crack is found to use an upconverting player with component output.
Do not loose hope.
nvl

So should i consider this player instead??

http://www.neodigits.com/body/product/HVD2081/feature.asp

It has vga out

Okay I think I found the holy grail of machines. this player has VGA 480i out. That is fine as most movies have only that resolution anyway.

http://www.yamakawadirect.com/288_detail.shtml

I was also thinking of getting some power speakers. Effectively I would have a projection system with player and sound.

my BENQ FP591 does not support the exact display mode output by the Yamakawa 288, but I ordered it anyway, to see what it does support. I figured why not take a chance.

My alternative is an N6 machine.

[quote=nvl,Jun 23 2005, 09:09 PM]
[quote=ktjensen,Jun 24 2005, 12:13 AM]
But has anyone actually done it?



Guys,
Do not loose any sleep over it. Since last year it is illigal to market DVD players in North America without HDCP compliance. Your best bet is to use a dvd player with VGA output. there is one avaible from Hong Kong.
I went through this with my LG DVD player. At least my Bell Expressvu HD satellite receiver will output a noncomplient DVI signal.
I read on a Hungarian website that somewhere in Europe the code is cracked but I have not seen details on the Internet.
So, the easiest until a crack is found to use an upconverting player with component output.
Do not loose hope.
nvl

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I thought that a recent (a couple months ago) Court Ruling removed the HDCP compliance requirement ? Was that just for cable boxes or DVD's as well ? ... or maybe someone can explain as i'm not too sure about all this HDCP and leagalise .. ?? !!

cheers,
gs

The ruling you are thinking of is about the Broadcast Flag. What it dictates is the blocking the ability to record free OTA(Over-the-Air) broadcasting.
When something is broadcast via radio waves it is fair game, that is why it is perfectly legal to have scanners that can pick up a cordless phone conversation along with police bands and whatever else is traveling thru us.

HDCP is a copy protection scheme that prevents copying of "Copyrighted" material that is not broadcast over free airwaves, much like Macrovision.


peace

Thanks SIMJEDI.

I guess the concern is that when things go to digital broadcasting (HDTV, etc.) they didn't want people to be able to copy OTA broadcasts as they would be "perfect" copies ?

Well that sucks, that doesn't even make sense, how the hell would disabling the use of DVI with LCDs help prevent piracy?? (morons, the company, not you)

The idea seems to be that analog copies are bearable because analog copies degrade, while digital copies are exact and don't degrade. Same thing with CDs they don't want digital copies but they don't seem overly stressed about tape copies. The big companies feel like they are owed, you ussual see the pirate DVD or SW apps conterfit stories and they claim that they are loosing billions because that is the retail price times the number of copies but the majority of those copies are going to people who wouldn't pay full price so that was never going to be a sale, so they haven't lost as much business as they claim.

Here is another DVD player with VGA output. I always seem to find a machine that is a little better than the one I ordered, within a few days of ordering something.

http://www.neuneo.com/products/dvd/mp4dvd_feature.asp


But I looked a little closer at this. The "good" player (there are two DVD set top players) with the high resolution VGA output is $200. So the yamakawa is still the best bargain. Will need to look at the video vga results.

For the the past week I've been shoping for a 17' monitor with a DVI input because my samsung DVD player has a dvi output on it, my plan is to get an N6 and the OPDV971H 720p/1080i Upconverting HDTV-Ready DVD Player with a 17" monitor with a DVI input to get an HD picture , because I'm not using a PC I only use my projector for watching TV and DVD's, are you saying I'm wasting my time because the DVD player wont send the signal to the monitor and I should be looking for a LCD TVwith DVI, I have not seen a 15"or 17" LCD TV with a DVI input are they out there.

I am saying that I tried to make this work with a samsung, and it did not. But your plan to use the OPD player might work. No one here has reported actually using it, so BUYER BEWARE.

How about trying the VGA output path instead?? The Neuneo DVD player that I mentioned before has a high resolution VGA output. Just make sure you order the $200 version. The OPDV971H 720p/1080i outputs the same as the Neuneo player, but the Neuneo has vga output, not DVI.

ktjenson what model samsung do you have and your not using a pc with your projector

Yah I see what ya mean. If they aren't going to allow people with LCD monitors to use the DVI port then what the heck is the point of releasing a DVD player with DVI? Talk about limiting your consumers....

That is definately not the holy grail, more like a urinal. 480i blows chunks!!! While DVD's are encoded in 480i, all 24 progressive frames can be put back together and output in progressive scan through a process known as 3-2 pulldown.

Don't waste your money on a POS 480i player. If you don't want to use a HTPC, you are better off getting a N6 and a plain 'ole progressive scan dvd player with component output.

go here:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/...ve-10-2000.html

You could also, umm, how do way say, hack? a DVI DVD player to disable hdcp. Google is your friend.....

Wish I had known about the mod/ hack/ update to the software on this machine. I could have tested it to see if HDCP could be turned off.

This web site has a list of software codes (no charges) to try on the player (supposedly any Samsung will work with these codes) to see if they will work. There are lots of people saying that these codes SHOULD work, to make the player region free, and HDCP turned off; but some say they work to turn off HDCP only. I bought and shipped back the Samsung HD-941 player, which I could not get to output DVI to my BENQ monitor.

http://www.dvd.reviewer.co.uk/info/multire...samsungs224.asp

I can not find any better "hack" for the HD-941, but I see lots of discussions about earlier models of Samsung and how to make them region-free, and HDCP off. Just do a GOOGLE search, like "the man" says.

As for 480i being the "urinal" of quality.?? Well maybe so, but I am just a hobbiest trying to make a projector somewhat portable.

PERFECTION is the enemy of GOOD ENOUGH. I am just trying to see what is good enough to project a movie, and watch the content. I will more likely watch on my television in my room, or in my family room.

Actually the Yamakawa 288 is a progressive scan player. It is highly rated via a twelve page discussion on www.avsforum.com. Most are saying that they can't believe the quality of the results. Even at 480i. Many are saying the difference in price (need to spend at lest $100 more) is not worth the upgrade to play in HDTV resolutions for a DVD player.

And the player is nearly completely sold out in the United States. The Yamakawa direct web site has a few left overs, but you need to find the hidden web page to order them. (use google to find the old web page).

BUT ... If you want you can always try to get a yamakawa 375 version which has the higher resolutions and DVI output.

MAY BE THE HOLY GRAIL OF CHEAP PLAYERS!!!


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That is definately not the holy grail, more like a urinal. 480i blows chunks!!! While DVD's are encoded in 480i, all 24 progressive frames can be put back together and output in progressive scan through a process known as 3-2 pulldown.

Don't waste your money on a POS 480i player. If you don't want to use a HTPC, you are better off getting a N6 and a plain 'ole progressive scan dvd player with component output.

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I found the following on Google:

Removal of HDCP and region code on Samsung HD841 and HD850 players.
1. Turn your television on.
2. Turn your DVD player on without a disk in the tray. Observe the Samsung screen saver on the monitor.
3. Wait for the message 'NO DISC' to appear.
4. Press the ANGLE button.
5. Press the numbers 4, 3, 2, 7 (you should see 'HDCP FREE' appear in the upper left hand corner of your TV screen).
6. Press the OPEN/CLOSE button to open the disk tray.
This completes the set-up.

I could not verify this, I have an LG player.
Cheers,

got the yamakawa 288 yesterday. wonderful picture via 640x480 vga output. for $88 dollars it is a great intermediate solution. Plus I can move this around with my projector for portable movies.

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Run dont walk , to future shop canada and buy a lg7832 dvd player.It can be hacked with lgs older firmware from this site (use lv700i1.bin and rename it
lgromout.bin ,then buen to a cd and put in player) (http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/experttips/michaeltlv/lg_dv7832_firmware.html

The firmware downgrade allows 720p and 1080i to play over dvi (WITH HDCP DISABLED!!!!!)and component as well!!!!!! I own this player and the faroudja dvdi processing makes dvds look FILM QUALITY !!!!!

But what do you watch that has 720p or 1080i as the original film image encoded? Most DVDs do not have that resolution on them, do they? Am I missing something, and not realizing that DVDs already have the ability to display 720p?

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Run dont walk , to future shop canada and buy a lg7832 dvd player.It can be hacked with lgs older firmware from this site (use lv700i1.bin and rename it
lgromout.bin ,then buen to a cd and put in player) (http://www.keohi.com/keohihdtv/experttips/michaeltlv/lg_dv7832_firmware.html

The firmware downgrade allows 720p and 1080i to play over dvi (WITH HDCP DISABLED!!!!!)and component as well!!!!!! I own this player and the faroudja dvdi processing makes dvds look FILM QUALITY !!!!!

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fututeshop canada does not have this player available

but the clone zenith 318 is available. around $130 for that.

Still sounds like an experiment, that could work.