joecnc2006
Jan 3 2006, 11:37 PM
QUOTE (FastCote @ Jan 3 2006, 05:10 PM)

Joe, I went hunting at the home store (Lowes) for black iron pipe as it looks like all your designs call for it. The pipe I found looks like it is either painted or plastic coated BUT was badly pitted or bubbled. In any case, it doesn’t look like a very good surface for the bearing to roll on. Next to the black pipe was galvanized. Is that a good alternative? Is it the same O.D., same strength, stiffness, etc.?
Yes the dia. is the same and also thickness and so on. one is painted and one has a galvanized finish on it. you can always sand it.
FastCote
Jan 4 2006, 02:48 PM
Yet another Lowes investtigation.....
i am confused aout all the references to MDF. when i think of MDF i think of THIS stuff:
Click to view attachmentisnt it actually partical board that most folks are using:
Click to view attachmentMDF seems very papery to me and prone to tearouts. I am probably confused as usual. Just looking for some clarification.
Thanks.
joecnc2006
Jan 4 2006, 04:59 PM
QUOTE (FastCote @ Jan 4 2006, 08:48 AM)

Yet another Lowes investtigation.....
i am confused aout all the references to MDF. when i think of MDF i think of THIS stuff:
Click to view attachmentisnt it actually partical board that most folks are using:
Click to view attachmentMDF seems very papery to me and prone to tearouts. I am probably confused as usual. Just looking for some clarification.
Thanks.
your bottom picture is partical board (No Good).
MDF (Medium Density Fiber) is very smooth to the touch and runs about 23-25 dollars a sheet 3/4"x49"x97"
http://www.merbok.com/mdfoverview/whatis.htmJoe
wyldesyde007
Jan 5 2006, 03:01 AM
And the mdf is more resistant to water, has a tighter core and handles screws better. (i'm a cabinet maker).
ynneb
Jan 5 2006, 08:36 AM
Thats a fantastic story oldtimer.
Even though I am not your age I can relate to what you are saying.
Now that you have built your CNC machine you will be busy for the rest of your life making things with it.
What a pity you wasted 15 years though. Make sure you never slip down that path again.
They should have health warnings display on ever game of Solitare.
Thanks for sharing
FastCote
Jan 6 2006, 04:05 AM
How well does MDF tap, and are there any tricks?
Also, any suggestions as to whic dap and die set to buy?
joecnc2006
Jan 6 2006, 04:15 AM
QUOTE (FastCote @ Jan 5 2006, 10:05 PM)

How well does MDF tap, and are there any tricks?
Also, any suggestions as to whic dap and die set to buy?
mdf is very easy to tap, I use 1/4-20 tap and *10-24 tap.
the best way is to drill, then tap using a cordless drill and just getting a feel for when to and how far to tap, then add some superglue or epoxy and insert screw, some use wood glue, it helps to harden the threads in the mdf.
FastCote
Jan 8 2006, 03:57 AM
I started my cnc machine from the drawings you sent. I got a good portion of the x-axis done. All is well execpt now that i am on the x-axis bearing brackets, I can not fine 1 1/4 aluminum angle ANYWHERE!!!
I hit Home Depot, Lowes, and even the local hardware store. NO DICE.
Any suggestions?
Smackre
Jan 8 2006, 05:03 AM
Mcmaster Carr?
joecnc2006
Jan 8 2006, 06:54 AM
you have to get it from an alumn. distributor in your area, the 1 1/4" is not a regular size that a hardware store will carry, I get mine local 20' at a time.
Or substitute for 1 1/4" angle iron
Joe
QUOTE (FastCote @ Jan 7 2006, 09:57 PM)

I started my cnc machine from the drawings you sent. I got a good portion of the x-axis done. All is well execpt now that i am on the x-axis bearing brackets, I can not fine 1 1/4 aluminum angle ANYWHERE!!!
I hit Home Depot, Lowes, and even the local hardware store. NO DICE.
Any suggestions?
jefftt
Jan 8 2006, 03:39 PM
HEY! I been buying from
"OnlineMetals" , since I've been a reader of the
"LINDSAY BOOKS" catalog.
Online Metals' prices ain't too bad, considering it's pretty much a one-stop shop for getting unusual stuff, good for people with more plastic than patience.. (me)
QUOTE (joe2000chevy @ Jan 8 2006, 12:54 AM)

you have to get it from an alumn. distributor in your area, ...
Joe
UltraMagnus
Jun 30 2006, 03:43 PM
hi, i just found this great site, i actually came here to this topic from google.
anyway, i thought this would be as good place as any to make my first post.
i am in the UK, so, unfortunately i can't order the kit from you really as the postage would be prohibitively expensive. However i do have access to a “real” CNC machine at my collage (well actually school really). So i was hoping you wouldn't mind sending me the DXF or solid edge files along with a quick guide on what parts need to be machined in what materials, along with the construction guide.
My email e-mail address is calgar@*nospamplease*cybiko.eu (without the “*nospamplease”) i don't make it public on forums to avoid spam harvesters.
Thanks in advance!
halaszj
Jul 18 2006, 02:08 AM
Joe,
Where in San Antonio are you located?
joecnc2006
Jul 18 2006, 06:44 PM
QUOTE (halaszj @ Jul 17 2006, 09:08 PM)

Joe,
Where in San Antonio are you located?
NE side off of IH35
joecnc2006
Jul 18 2006, 06:46 PM
QUOTE (UltraMagnus @ Jun 30 2006, 10:43 AM)

hi, i just found this great site, i actually came here to this topic from google.
anyway, i thought this would be as good place as any to make my first post.
i am in the UK, so, unfortunately i can't order the kit from you really as the postage would be prohibitively expensive. However i do have access to a “real” CNC machine at my collage (well actually school really). So i was hoping you wouldn't mind sending me the DXF or solid edge files along with a quick guide on what parts need to be machined in what materials, along with the construction guide.
My email e-mail address is calgar@*nospamplease*cybiko.eu (without the “*nospamplease”) i don't make it public on forums to avoid spam harvesters.
Thanks in advance!
try here
http://www.lumenlab.com/~joe2000chevy/CNC_Model_2006_R-1/Joe
halaszj
Jul 20 2006, 02:13 AM
QUOTE (joe2000chevy @ Jul 18 2006, 01:44 PM)

NE side off of IH35
selma / shertz area?
Im off of bandara and 1604, and i really like you design, and was thinking about a kit or something, but would like to see how it works if possible.
UltraMagnus
Jul 24 2006, 08:21 PM
QUOTE (joe2000chevy @ Jul 18 2006, 07:46 PM)

404
conker
Jul 25 2006, 06:12 PM
QUOTE (UltraMagnus @ Jul 24 2006, 09:21 PM)

404
Try here then :
http://mail.lumenlab.com/~joe2000chevy/CNC_Model_2006_R-1/
viper_11111
Jul 27 2006, 05:25 AM
Great ideas have been demonstrated in this thread. I have read the whole thing with interest. However I was a little bummed that I was unable to find the drawings and models for the 2nd machine you built during the course of this thread. The URL's were listed but no longer work. I see that you have info on the new R-1 and R-2 models, but I was hoping to build the smaller simpler version. Any chance you have those models and dimensions hanging around that I might be able to download?
Thanks and keep up the great work!
mhp622
Aug 18 2006, 06:43 AM
When I found this forum, till then it never occured to me that it's possible to make your own CNC mill. I've been working on 3D surfaces and my current project is a 3D USA flag. It is 40' by 40' by 4' tall and I was wondering if there are any plans of a taller mill? Well, not one of that size, but something that can do tall complex curves. I may "borrow" some wood from my school to make this and when i'm done with college I can complete it.
joecnc2006
Aug 22 2006, 08:29 AM
QUOTE (mhp622 @ Aug 18 2006, 01:43 AM)

When I found this forum, till then it never occured to me that it's possible to make your own CNC mill. I've been working on 3D surfaces and my current project is a 3D USA flag. It is 40' by 40' by 4' tall and I was wondering if there are any plans of a taller mill? Well, not one of that size, but something that can do tall complex curves. I may "borrow" some wood from my school to make this and when i'm done with college I can complete it.
I am working on a total different design for a 4'x4' cutting area, metal frame machine, which will be scalable (larger or smaller)
skalhus
Sep 6 2006, 10:09 PM
joe can i get the drawings of ur cnc machines 1-3 or as many u have made master! ;P
send to skalhus@spray.se
damn im gona try make on now.
i live in sweden little smaller market to find the stuff butt ill try!
the controller card for the y.x.z motors u hook it up to the pc directly?
joecnc2006
Sep 8 2006, 02:11 PM
QUOTE (skalhus @ Sep 6 2006, 05:09 PM)

joe can i get the drawings of ur cnc machines 1-3 or as many u have made master! ;P
send to skalhus@spray.se
damn im gona try make on now.
i live in sweden little smaller market to find the stuff butt ill try!
the controller card for the y.x.z motors u hook it up to the pc directly?
The controllor board plugs into the printer port, motors to controllor board.
files at
http://mail.lumenlab.com/~joe2000chevy/CNC_Model_2006_R-1/I will have to dig up the old ones.
joe
skalhus
Sep 8 2006, 07:17 PM
nice thnx need to convert to mm in nuts and bolts we have metriksys here =) np!
hehe asked aroun and a mt was saweing an big old stepper motor.
huge!
skalhus
Sep 8 2006, 07:24 PM
the stepper motor kit cost? and is it 110v?
we use 230 volts here
skalhus
Sep 10 2006, 03:56 PM
Click to view attachmentHey fond a HP laserJet 5Si MX u think it got any good steppermotors in it?
cost me about 70 USD
It`s huge 60x55x50 cm
skalhus
Sep 10 2006, 03:59 PM
err will cost me 70USD IF! i buy it! ;P
joecnc2006
Sep 11 2006, 02:12 AM
QUOTE (skalhus @ Sep 10 2006, 10:59 AM)

err will cost me 70USD IF! i buy it! ;P
Hp Uses 100ozin steppers, and only one in it. I would go with larger.
spyder_meister
Sep 11 2006, 04:23 PM
Joe, are you still building kits for people that would like to build a machine?
I like what you've done, and would like to purchase some parts from you, if you are still cutting parts for people.
-Jim
PS I just ordered the hobbyCNC kit w/ 200 oz steppers. Now I am commited to the build!
spyder_meister
Sep 11 2006, 04:36 PM
QUOTE (joe2000chevy @ Jun 22 2005, 09:53 AM)

Here is a complete list and people can choose what they like depending on their built level
I'm looking forward to your feedback, Let me know what you think.....
1 - set, Tool Holder for Rotozip Upper and lower = $20.00 (does not include bolts)
1 - set, Nema 23 motor Spacers 3 total = $10.00 all three
3 - sets, Lead Screw Bearing supports = $30.00 (Does not incluse Bearings)
3 - sets Anti Backlash Nut w/ Tensioner = $15.00 (Includes Nuts 5/16")
4 - Small Adjustment Blocks 1" inside Dia. = $16.00 (does not include 1" adjustment bolts)
4 - Medium Adjustment Blocks 1.25" inside dia. = $16.00 (does not include 1" adjustment bolts)
4 - Large Adjustment Blocks 1.5" inside Dia. = $18.00 (does not include 1" adjustment bolts)
6 - Linear Alumn Bearing Block Suports = $35.00 for MDF and $45.00 for HDPE (3 sizes 2 ea., 8", 7.5" and 6")
Linear Bearing Slides 1 1/4" angle, with 4 bearings = $18.00 ea. (total 6 needed, 8", 7.5" and 6")
All the MDF pieces cut for the main structure only and ready to put together = $250.00 (Does not include Cutting top or very bottom two alignment pieces)
All pieces cut in HDPE for the main structure only (High Density Polyethelene) = $500.00 (Does not include Cutting top or very bottom two alignment pieces)
Remember prices may change slightly (but will hold on order date) depending on if i actually loose money in time and materials as the proccess goes on, as it is i am loosing or breaking even to start. The more people i have the more i will be able to get quantity on materials and drops the price for me initially
Thanks, Joe
Joe,
I'm quite sure the price of HDPE has changed since this post, but I would very much be interested in 1-6. I have paypal all set up for instant transfer of funds, etc. my e-mail is esoteric *at* bresnan.net.
thanks
-Jim
skalhus
Sep 11 2006, 08:01 PM
hey gota steppermotor from a friend
sigma
cyclonome
steppingmotor
model. 20-4247TD200-f1.3
sigma instruments inc
braintree, mass, u.s.a
its about 6.5X5.5 inches and really heavy
but cant find anything about it can u help me please?
I looks old
skalhus
Sep 11 2006, 08:02 PM
It looks old sorry for my spelling! ;P
spyder_meister
Sep 12 2006, 02:44 AM
Joe, I just put in an order with www.use-enco.com for the list of parts you have as necessary in your pdf file for assembly. Thanks again for sharing all of this info!
If I had access to a CNC machine, I'd probably cut out the smaller pieces myself... but... this is my first one. =o)
thanks again, Joe!
-Jim
skalhus
Sep 28 2006, 08:28 PM
I was thinking of starting to make a smaller cnc machine to start at.
like ur first or second machine joe then the 100oz motor would do fine ? yes?
skalhus
Oct 1 2006, 09:22 PM
Thx mt good work!
Did u find some blueprints for ur first models?
gona make a small first using printer steppers. how small a printer uses 100oz steppers u think?
joecnc2006
Oct 1 2006, 11:33 PM
QUOTE (skalhus @ Oct 1 2006, 04:22 PM)

Thx mt good work!
Did u find some blueprints for ur first models?
gona make a small first using printer steppers. how small a printer uses 100oz steppers u think?
the hp printer steppers are 100oz, thats what i started with. and hobbycnc.com board
joecnc2006
Oct 2 2006, 12:00 AM
here are some drawing files i found from march 2005, man its been a while.
skalhus
Oct 2 2006, 06:31 PM
Nice!
Thx man!
skalhus
Oct 2 2006, 06:42 PM
can u show apitchure of ur 100oz specs on the motors?
skalhus
Oct 2 2006, 07:26 PM
hey found a school cnc cutting machine for free! old but it prolly work if i can put it together with my computer!
it got 3 steppers specs are
torque 380mN.m
step angle 1,8 degree
current/coil 1A
insulation class B
can u tell me the oz thing on this ?
skalhus
Oct 2 2006, 07:34 PM
here is a pdf of my steppers check em out
right! they have a gear box on em make em stronger i think!
dont shows in pdf
skalhus
Oct 2 2006, 07:35 PM
anyone know of any good controller card for this?
joecnc2006
Oct 2 2006, 09:38 PM
QUOTE (skalhus @ Oct 2 2006, 02:34 PM)

here is a pdf of my steppers check em out
right! they have a gear box on em make em stronger i think!
dont shows in pdf

I would not use those motors they are only 53oz. in.
380 [mN·m] millinewton meter = 53.81253427 [oz·in] ounce-force inch
Kenneth Barry
Oct 3 2006, 03:33 AM
For those who are looking to get Motors, that is Stepper Motors, you'ed be smart to ask a copier leasing facility.
Often they have literally rooms of "part" machines. One of the stores i went to locally had so many that they handed me a screw driver and told me to "take whatever you want" and when i left with 7 very larger stepper motors (from very large copiers) they asked "did you get all you wanted?" and followed that with "well, if you need any more feel free to come back."
So, needless to say, maybe they are nicier than those you might run into, but i bet youde have the same luck in finding a place like that with a million and a half old copiers.
In my experience, the largest motors are in the Auto Document Feeder (the page taker on top)
But the things are full fo them on the inside also, but generally not as large as the one in the Auto Document Feeder.
skalhus
Oct 3 2006, 03:38 PM
the motors have been cutting metal on the rig it`s on right now!
so they are not to bad i think the gearbox on em makes them stronger
joecnc2006
Oct 3 2006, 09:35 PM
QUOTE (skalhus @ Oct 3 2006, 10:38 AM)

the motors have been cutting metal on the rig it`s on right now!
so they are not to bad i think the gearbox on em makes them stronger
What type of "Rig" what is the weight they need to push and pull.
skalhus
Oct 4 2006, 08:07 PM
here it is taken apart into two parts, and yes the cutting area is small but i think its in solid steal
and weigh pretty much!
skalhus
Oct 4 2006, 08:10 PM
but the controllercard is damn old and it dont got an usual serial plugin some other hugh connect thingy!
but i got power supply and a box
joecnc2006
Oct 4 2006, 08:29 PM
you can reuse several pieces, get a parrallel port controllor and it will be more universal.
not sure what the pitch is on the leadscrews, but some of the linier guides can be used, from the picture they look fully enclosed so you will not be able to support the rails, unledd the X axis under the table is that way.
skalhus
Oct 4 2006, 08:31 PM
im prolly gonna keep this this way to learn cnc cutting and make a bigger machine on the side of this but want this one to work!
So if i dont make this controller card to work for me, what do i need to know to get one that works for me?
And may work on bigger motors in the future!?
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