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FrostKaiser
I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the a good response time for faced paced games like Half-Life 2 on an LCD would be. I was looking at a 16ms panel and was wondering what kind of ghosting I can expect. Thanks in advance.
mantis
16ms panel should be good for this. There are only a couple that are faster than this. The problem with too much faster, is that you will sacrifice some of the quality of your image. There are certain PC games that will suffer on almost any LCD monitor, which is why hard core gamers still tend to use CRT monitors. You shouldn't have any problem with console games at 16 ms though. Someone chime in if they have had different experiences.
FrostKaiser
So having a panel with a lower response time means image degredation? I'm confused.

I'd love to use a CRT in my PJ, but I don't think that'll work. I just want to mainly be able to play Half-Life 2, WOW, and watch DVDs without any major ghosting. Is this possible, or just wishful thinking? Thanks for the help.
mantis
The lower the response time the better for gaming. 16 ms should be very acceptable for your purposes. Look at the cmv 529a, samsung 512n, benq 557s v2, 567s v2, or fp 591. These all have contrast ratios of 450:1 or better, 16ms, and been used with good results, and no ffc issues.
DIY101
QUOTE (FrostKaiser @ Feb 4 2005, 02:41 PM)
So having a panel with a lower response time means image degredation? I'm confused.

I'd love to use a CRT in my PJ, but I don't think that'll work. I just want to mainly be able to play Half-Life 2, WOW, and watch DVDs without any major ghosting. Is this possible, or just wishful thinking? Thanks for the help.

As with everything else in life, the design of LCD's is a compromise. Faster than 8ms response times could probably be done, but at the cost of of image quality, specifically, the quality of the colors. Tomshardware, for what it's worth, reviewed this LCD and said that it was great for games, but the quality of the colors left a lot to be desired.

Having said that, LCD's have gotten a lot better of the last year or so and average response times have dropped from 25-35 down to around 16ms without any sacrifice in image quality.
force617
I have a samsung syncmaster 152n for my pj (25ms response time) and can play very fast ps2 games (ghost recon, ace combat, etc) with minimal to no ghosting. very watchable
DIY101
The response time isn't always the best indicator of the amount of ghosting. The larger LCD's usually use a different type of LCD technology. The 15's and 17's @25ms usually look fine for movies and games, but some 19" LCD's I've seen with 25ms look HORRIBLE for movies and games.

The SGI 1600SW has a quoted response time of like 40 or 50ms and all the projector builders seem to be very satisfied with it.

Keep in mind that the quoted time is a average response time. Also keep in mind that @ 60Hz, 1 frame needs to change every 16ms. So, 25ms isn't really fast enough in all situations. IMO, 16 is very good with 12ms being excellent.

I have a Dell 2005FPW with a 12ms response time and there is absolutely no ghosting whatsoever. I'm very picky about these sort of things and am very satisfied with 12ms. I'm one of these people that thinks that 85Hz on a CRT still flickers.
araczynski
samsung syncmaster 712n, 600:1, 12ms, looks completeley beautiful. in any game i've played.
FrostKaiser
QUOTE (araczynski @ Feb 8 2005, 02:07 PM)
samsung syncmaster 712n, 600:1, 12ms, looks completeley beautiful. in any game i've played.

araczynski, I was looking at this panel as a possible option. From what I have read it does not have a DVI input. Just wondering if you could tell me how the image quality is w/o the DVI. Thanks.
moods
I bought the CMV 520D.

Games look good on it, but I still notice the very slight ghosting.

The panel is 15" at 16ms so I wouldn't go over that response time.
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