The title says it all. It's paranoid and it's out there, and i didn't belive anything like this until i saw a show called wonderscouzen or whatever its called on mtv and now i cant shake the thought. I have so much useless unproven info on this topic, and im thinking about it. I want to put it to rest. since new technology and paranoia over new technology go hand in hand. hopefully some of you diy thinkers can creep me out. time for the truth about controlled society, the "american dream", and corporations. and other creepy things that might lead you to beleive in it.

Are you questioning if a TV program you saw on MTV is real ?? My opinion: Sleep better tonight and don't worry about things you hear on MTV concerning the CIA... just my 2 cents

Why can't MTV just stick to things like Music Television ? ... I guess that was a novel idea back in the 80's...


edit. yes, we are watching you.

The funny thing is. it was a show with muppets, and it was so out there i think it got banned, and it wasn;t tv funhouse iether. but any way i dont want to sleep right now. i want peoples paranoid thoughts sorry dad-types, this isn't your forum, go back to your toolshed. this is for the city-infused open minded individuals who believe that something is f-upped and doesnt mind talking about it. (mtv does suck: i saw this on dvd recently and it said mtv on the back)
actually. im watching you. scary huh? [/quote]

[quote name='GadgetSmith' post='283592' date='May 7 2008, 11:41 AM']Are you questioning if a TV program you saw on MTV is real ?? My opinion: Sleep better tonight and don't worry about things you hear on MTV concerning the CIA... just my 2 cents

Why can't MTV just stick to things like Music Television ? ... I guess that was a novel idea back in the 80's...

No, their only watching you!

But nothing would surprise me.

Waterboarding by Americans never happen in a million years.

come on. someone hear has to know what im talking it's current events. Ever since bush proposed to randomly monitor phone calls as part of the terrorist act. doesn't anyone ask themselves what information is given every time you swipe your credit card? If you can see the how short your grass is on google earth, what can they see? in a world full of protective measures against terrorism, it seems all to easy to track someone via sattelite and infared. and thats only the start. but thats not the topic. for years people have been chasing "the white picket fence- american dream" and it seems to be why we live sometimes. but where does this very common vision come from? if we're all thinking the same thoughts, why?

Isn't CIA just for foreign affairs ?

If anybody is watching then probably NSA or FBI.

tell me more, unless your scared you cant just say something without providing even a ball park idea of why. why fbi (are'nt they closely watched and regulated? nobody can even tell you what a cia agent does. it pretty says there mystique in there title (counter intelligence?) NSA? who are they ?

When I first saw this topic this movie ran thu my mind. "Enemy of the State" I really like the end where he is caught on every movie recorder

http://beyondoptics.com/Article_Privacy.php

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The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is a civilian intelligence agency of the United States government. Its primary function is collecting and analyzing information about foreign governments, corporations, and persons in order to advise public policymakers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is the primary investigative arm of the United States Department of Justice (DOJ), serving as both a federal criminal investigative body and a domestic intelligence agency. At present, the FBI has investigative jurisdiction over violations of more than 200 categories of federal crimes, making the FBI the de-facto lead law enforcement agency of the United States government. The motto of the bureau is "Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation

The National Security Agency/Central Security Service (NSA/CSS) is a cryptologic intelligence agency of the United States government, administered under the U.S. Department of Defense. Created on November 4, 1952, it is responsible for the collection and analysis of foreign communications and foreign signals intelligence, which involves a significant amount of cryptanalysis. It is also responsible for protecting U.S. government communications and information systems from similar agencies elsewhere, which involves a significant amount of cryptography. The NSA has recently been directed to help monitor U.S. federal agency computer networks to protect them against attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency

You know, if your computer is connected to the internet, anyone else on the internet can theoretically get into your computer, look at your files, even get a live feed off any microphone/webcam attached! How cool is that???

No Way. I'm running windows Vista !

NAWW, Not the US gov.

They will not be interested in you until they see some red flag words and phrases in your topic. You know words like bombs, president, anti USA slogans, iraq, iran, benladin. But then that is only for home land secuirity. Now if you want some real red flag stuff at home just start mentioning militia. unabomber or sexual religious freedom.

But once they see stuff like that then you have something to set your paranoia ticker ticking. LOL

Come on dude catcher in the rye does not even make a good hynotic trigger

I could have worked for the NSA, but they found out my parents were married.

So now they are going to be after you since you posted all that stuff Hmm you really know what they are looking for hmmmmmmmmmmm

Consider yourself on the list, buster!


Too funny!

Alas, I can not take credit for it. It's a movie quote.

UMMMMMMMMMMMMMM yep

I'mmmmm Native as you can see by my handle. Peltier, AIM, BIA,IIM, TEN all are red flags for me so I just don't care I log into a site It sends info

city-infused open minded

Just posting that one remark tells me your not open minded. now I live in the country because having lived in: Chicago, downtown Honolulu and 2 Japanese's cities I realized the environment wasn't where I wanted to be.

Being form the city doesn't make you any cooler, more open minded or any other such rubbish -it makes you form a city - thats it.


I live in the country, listen to country music, turn wrench and drive big trucks with huge tires when I so choose. I also am a meteorologist and an oceanographer, seen more of this planet then most people ever will, and I know nothing about anything that I never did or was never there.

Upon processing out, we where warned that we will be contacted later in life to see if we would let slip stuff we didn't know about places were never at, and equipment we never saw that doesn't exist.

skip 4 years later - over a chat program, _nothing_ on said chat program or anywhere in any profile on the internet said I know this about that because my job was such. All it said and ever says is what I just said. Prior Navy weather guesser.

So this "high school" kid chats me up doing a project on.... stuff ..... and asks me very specific technical questions about fantastic equipment we never saw that doesn't exist.

I red flag him - contact the CO of my last duty station who contact someone who get a hold of me.

They blow it off as a school kid doing a paper as I had reported the entire incident
and thats that.

I figure I'll send a chat to said "kid" and ask him how his report was comming along and this user number doesnt exsist. No record of user etc.

This story is true 100%

[quote name='Quasi_Mojo' date='May 7 2008, 08:22 PM' post='283653']
Consider yourself on the list, buster!


PSSSST, You quoted me Now your on the list

OMG,,,, A real Red flagger,,,,,,,, By the way I was never here

LOL me either, *waves hand* We where never here

Waves back, Drops almost empty cigarette pack at DOS

I was was in love with agent99 but her shoe # was unlisted and there was no * 69 back then broke my heart





Hoagtech,,

Seriously, Although the Gov may have very inteligent people working in the ABC soup bowl. They have a one major hurdle that is very hard to resolve They still promote to incompitance. Basicly you get promoted till you fail then that is where they keep you.

President?

'Nucular'
-George W. Bush

Conspiracy chit-chat, UGH. Dial into Art Bell if he's still alive (or ever was ) Hey, grab yourselves' a Miller-Lite and a Marlboro-light while you're at it...ow ow ow ow.

Our time is made by we who create the future; and do not wallow (suuwee) in the present, nor create fear, but rather live for the transcension of oneself. If "they" are watching, they will perish from a broken spirit.

BTW: The MTV show was called "Wonder Showzen". The scene in question shows a little boy at a story-telling, mentally musing on whether the government is "listening to his thoughts", after which immediately follows: [radio squawk: no we're not].

I agree its not where you are, its where your going. How and IF you get there is up to you. Technology is a fact of life, THEY have always and will always keep tabs on the population - it used to be the pinkertins, now its the sosdd.

Go read 1984, watch Brazil, and realize they ARE watching - its your TV it evil so grab a tinfoil hat and underwear and destroy any windmills you can find.

haha that movie rocks. its what got me thinking about sattelites in the first place
and brainchild.. it sucks to be watched. not that im worried there watching now, cus i didn't do anything. but if i felt like i had to. i feel like id be stopped before i even started because of the technologies that are at "their" disposal. and really you only have to be worried if your a terrorist or a criminal. but preperations have been made for the last 40 years started by the cia to control our evryday thoughts. i just ask myself what runs a country: money, and who has money:coorporations, and who regulates these coorporations that make more than our government: disney(mcdonalds): united emirates, and what is there tool for doing this: fear through television. so if you feel like trying to change the world from consumerism to free thought, love your neighbor type setting. you couldn't because part of our society tells us not to talk to each other, because the power of a mind is great thing, and it "there" job to make sure we dont utilize it. because if we do, we'll realize money isn't happiness and therefore not be reliant on handing large coorporations our money, taking away there power (money)


and ya it was wondershowzen, that stupid comment could never leave my head. (kksszzch NO WERE NOT)

Why would the government waste it's time & resources watching me? LOL!

We're all paying for it anyway so why not?

there not (hopefully ). it just pisses me off that they have resouces that completely invade my privacy and take away some of my freedoms. and its not up to me. they use it at there own discression and who knows if they abuse or not.
i suggest you watch some fight club, truman show, matrix, roger moore vids, and then read the giver, and read up on a little socrates and you should have a good base for being totally confused and paranoid.

nothing is true because you can't prove truth -socratic philosophy

LOL


When I was a small tot they used the phrase God sees all so be good. Guess he sub contracted out some of the work load.

it's called human nature:

Add to that Ren and Stimpy, Spongbob, Bevis and Butthead, Bill and Ted's excellent adventure


"I drank What?"
- Socrates

ya. wait a sec. NO not at all. those are good shows though. are you questioning mike judges ability and kiano reeves first role?

First starring role, perhaps.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000206/

Well "rumor" has it that "Big Bother" has the ability to remotely turn on your cell phones microphone and/or picture camera. This way they may listen in or even watch what your doing, EVEN IF your phone is switched off.

"They" say that the only way to ensure true privacy is to remove you battery from your cell phone all together to keep this from happening.

"They" also say that the government is trying to force cell phone manufacturers to incorporate a small, non-removable battery inside the phone to keep users from "disconnecting" the phone from big brother when main battery is removed.


They are watching you!

I used to think aboutu cell phone tracking. you turn on the latest phones and they can show you a dot on your exact geographic coordinates. and a nice big dot that moves with you while you walk down the street. Thats just the start. I have a windows mobile phone and when you connect it to your computer they give you the option to update your sodtware with 'windows live." you probably have used in on your desktop before. its similar to google earth but downloads sattelite images that get a lot closer then g'earth. and with gps you can even see your self through it. just think of what the wrong hands can do if their the ones who control it. and thats just cell phones which i think pale in comparison to rel technologies that we have had for last 60 years. you modify a sattelite with x ray you see through walls you modify with infared, you see human life though heat. not to mention voice recognition software has been around for so long that macintosh even included with a lot of there late eighties model desktops. If they want theres not a place on Gods green earth where they couldnt reach us if they had too. No worries for me, but it stressful thinking thats theres no such thing as "total privacy" anymore.

The only way to have true privacy is to be totally off the grid, which if you're productive at all - you're not.

Welcome to the Matrix.

Is someone becoming a believer? i guess this does hope for the straw eating banjo players

becoming? as for the straw eating banjo players... that remark is pure ignorance.

Come on IN. I dont really think you play the banjo and if you do I'm sorry for hurting you where it counts. right in the hick ticker.
Check the smileys next time your offended. thats what they're there for.

Sorry Hoag, But your talkin words here that just arent true...

Anyone who has ever been to VT knows that we are a guitar state, plane and simple...
Anyone with even the most basic knowledge of nutrition knows that straw is for bedding, not eating...

I would suggest that you go watch "Deliverance" again...but as I understand it, the cartoon version is out of print...


Check the globe...Were the small state to the right of New York...

The one who sent the highest number of troops per capita to every war this country has been involved in...
The FIRST government in the history of the world to write an Anti-Slavery clause into its original constitution...

and then there's the stuff were proud of...

I know Sj what was i thinking? i was wayyy off. oh and enjoy a nice peacful sleep in your straw beds vermont

Thats ok, you bash all you want. We all know what a great environment the city fosters, safe streets at night, friendly neighbors, low crime rate etc etc.

Jeese I wish I could live in a place like that - oh right.. WE DO.

Vermont is not like Newhearts Larry Darrel and Darrel. Its the only show that I really loath. Many a person has ended up on the wrong side of me for LDD references. Your assumption that anyone who isnt from a city is back asswards is quite sad.

I'm not offended and I apologizes if it came across that way, it did ruffle my feather a bit but it was brief. Also the straw bedding is only for our mother in-laws, as we keep in the barn.

Typically that's where they belong anyhow ?!

I think Hoag is just harboring a little jealousy over the creation of his state....You know, sweep the scraps into the corner, call it a state at the last minute...
Did you know that there are still laws on the books that say you cant ride ugly horses or buy mattresses on Sunday?
Yep. Still on the books...


I'd be mad too.
I would probably lie in my shower and cry, curled up in a ball...

...But not on Sunday.




BUT! I do like their laws regarding lawyers...

Rules for hunting lawyers
Washington state attorney season and bag limits

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1300.01 GENERAL

1. Any person with a valid Washington State hunting license may harvest attorneys.

2. Taking of attorneys with traps or deadfalls is permitted. The use of currency as bait is prohibited.

3. Killing of attorneys with a vehicle is prohibited. If accidentally struck, remove dead attorney to roadside and proceed to nearest car wash.

4. It is unlawful to chase, herd, or harvest attorneys from a snow machine, helicopter, or aircraft.

5. It shall be unlawful to shout "whiplash", "ambulance", or "free Perrier" for the purpose of trapping attorneys.

6. It shall be unlawful to hunt attorneys within 100 yards of BMW dealerships.

7. It shall be unlawful to use cocaine, young boys, $100 bills, prostitutes, or vehicle accidents to attract attorneys.

8. It shall be unlawful to hunt attorneys within 200 yards of courtrooms, law libraries, health spas, gay bars, ambulances, or hospitals.

9. If an attorney is elected to government office, it shall be a felony to hunt, trap, or possess it.

10. Stuffed or mounted attorneys must have a state health department inspection for AIDS, rabies, and vermin.

11. It shall be illegal for a hunter to disguise himself as a reporter, drug dealer, pimp, female legal clerk, sheep, accident victim, bookie, or tax accountant for the purpose of hunting attorneys.

BAG LIMITS

1. Yellow Bellied Sidewinder 2
2. Two-faced Tort Feasor 3
3. Back-stabbing Divorce Litigator 5
4. Big-mouthed Pub Gut 2
5. Honest Attorney EXTINCT
6. Cut-throat 2
7. Back-stabbing Whiner 2
8. Brown-nosed Judge Kisser 2
9. Silver-tongued Drug Defender $100 bounty

No way IN & SJ ! we got............ some........ kurt kobain.......ummmmmmmmmm....the space needle?...and...ummmm.........the hippies of olympia...and..... Damn! i got nothin.


But seriously dont think im bashing you IN. I just like to tease because i grew up in a similar environment, and i wasn't one of the "carhart clan."
The reason I stated this thread in the first place was because my life chaged drastically from comfortable to paranoid and lost because of all things that happend to my poor little country town. First, after 9/11 they hired thousands of border patrol agents that patrol my streets 24/7 and ive never seen more police in my life. theirs at least 5 patrol suvs to every st. and helicopters constantly flying overhead to make sure of "no threats". So no more Peace and quiet. THen they decided to put Really high tech camera towers with infared, and evry new and old technology you could think of right down the block from me (less than 200 ft away from my house, and it's pointed right at it.) And to top it off the indains decided to put a casino on my street. even though the nearest gas station is 2 miles away. So dont take your town for granted, it doesn't matter how many times you go to church or how great your town is. If they feel like it, they'll turn it into alcatraz. not to mention the value of the american dollar fell so fast that candians worth more now, which means there are thousands of canadians that do their shopping by crossing my border and packing themselves into wal marts and malls evryday (I dont blame them, cheaper is cheaper). I dare one of you to stare at one of those towers im talking about in the middle of a cornfeild and not think anything of it.

I seriously doubt that anything can be done with a phone that's off. If it's off, it's not receiving or broadcasting. If it were, then SOMEONE would have documented proof that it can be done. Besides, I don't think that the places that manufacture these things would spend the extra money to make them capable of such things.

If it's on... That's another matter altogether.

I've seen the google phone tracker. It's not that accurate, since it has to guess where you are from what cell tower you connect to. Again, the technology to track individual cell phones would be a hard conspiracy to cover, given how many different people have to maintain the equipment. It's be quite the corps of "men in black" to do all that and keep it all working and hidden. It begins to get very unlikely.

Occam's razor is enough for me as far as my privacy is concerned. It would be way too complicated to monitor my every word, correlate it to what I do/say online just to monitor me.

I KNOW Im being watched cause every few years a few guys who look like refugees from the Matrix show up and review my life with me. They monitor a lot of facets of my life to ensure I cant be manipulated or corrupted into giving up special information.

Do they have the capability your talking about?

Well, lets just say they found things I had forgotten about and leave it at that.

HUh? what are you talking about? I guess i just cant see the sarcasm or truth being portrayed through the text. go on... ( lets not just leave it at that)