brainchild
Jan 29 2009, 02:26 AM
FYI: Awoke vomiting blood. If no improvement by tomorrow I may be hospitalized until further notice.

Maybe the stress is getting to me after all.
prospector
Jan 29 2009, 02:33 AM
QUOTE (brainchild @ Jan 28 2009, 09:26 PM)

FYI: Awoke vomiting blood. If no improvement by tomorrow I may be hospitalized until further notice.

Maybe the stress is getting to me after all.
get well blood and vomit should not be used in the same breath
Styrofoam_Guy
Jan 29 2009, 05:06 AM
Yikes do take care of yourself.
Hirudin
Jan 29 2009, 05:25 AM
Get well soon man!
davedavedave
Jan 29 2009, 06:15 AM
QUOTE (brainchild @ Jan 28 2009, 06:22 PM)

Cool! Comes with?
brainchild
Jan 29 2009, 06:17 AM
Thanks. Still feeling bad but not puking blood for a bit, though I think I lost a couple quarts this morning....looked like a scene from CSI. (I had an ulcer when I was 17...been dormant since about 18). I had a leg injury last week (beefed on some crap on the floor in my house at night, took a bad sideways fall to the hip). It hurt a little too bad to sleep, so I've been taking Ibuprofen. My uncle just had emergency surgery after he mysteriously began vomiting blood, and he too was taking Ibuprofen (weirdly for a hip injury too).
brainchild
Jan 29 2009, 06:20 AM
QUOTE (davedavedave @ Jan 29 2009, 01:15 AM)

Cool! Comes with?

40mm heatsink and fan (motors are 42mm) and thermal tape for sticking them on. These are 12 volt fans that can run on the micRo 24v power supply by simply wiring two fans in series.
hibble
Jan 29 2009, 08:05 AM
hope your felling better soon.
p.s i know healthcare is not free as it is in the UK but a quick check up now will be better than bigger problems down the line.
DAZZZLA
Jan 29 2009, 08:33 AM
QUOTE (brainchild @ Jan 29 2009, 04:17 PM)

Thanks. Still feeling bad but not puking blood for a bit, though I think I lost a couple quarts this morning....looked like a scene from CSI. (I had an ulcer when I was 17...been dormant since about 18). I had a leg injury last week (beefed on some crap on the floor in my house at night, took a bad sideways fall to the hip). It hurt a little too bad to sleep, so I've been taking Ibuprofen. My uncle just had emergency surgery after he mysteriously began vomiting blood, and he too was taking Ibuprofen (weirdly for a hip injury too).
If you are taking herbs or other supplements, they can interact with Ibuprofen. Things like vitamin E4, ginkgo, meadowsweet, poplar etc.
Here’s a link that may interest you,
Natural NewsDJ
Durachko
Jan 29 2009, 02:50 PM
A bleeding ulcer doesn't always manifest itself with all common symptoms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get that checked out!!!!!!!!!! I know a guy almost died because of a bleeding ulcer which was undiagnosed by a doctor because he didn't exhibit all the classic symptoms!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kill a deer and eat it for cripes sake! We won't hold it against you!
davedavedave
Jan 29 2009, 04:31 PM
QUOTE (brainchild @ Jan 28 2009, 06:26 PM)

FYI: Awoke vomiting blood. If no improvement by tomorrow I may be hospitalized until further notice.

Maybe the stress is getting to me after all.
Whoa! Take care of that! Don't let stress do you in.
answerguru
Jan 29 2009, 06:02 PM
Brainchild :: as a former EMT, I personally would not take this lightly. Get thyself to a doctor or ER soon....it may not be too serious, but it's better to know than take an unnecessary risk.
The human body generally does not have you vomiting blood without a good reason.
Hope to hear good news (healthwise) soon!
- AnswerGuru
brainchild
Jan 30 2009, 01:37 AM
Hey everyone, feeling better, just plain sick now, blah. I'm convinced it's the ibuprofen that caused the bleeding, as it is known to cause this issue. I caught some bug that caused the vomiting and the ibuprofen bled me. I'd recommend not taking it! Acetaminophen (Tylenol) is not known to cause internal bleeding.
Anyway, the plastic's here! I'll be back in the shop when the fever breaks.
Alex Chally
Jan 30 2009, 08:21 AM
/me raises a beer
To correctly sized plastic and a speedy recovery!
/me drinks beer
brainchild
Jan 30 2009, 11:18 AM
QUOTE (Alex Chally @ Jan 30 2009, 03:21 AM)

/me raises a beer
To correctly sized plastic and a speedy recovery!
/me drinks beer
Robin checked it all in today; it was a very large shipment. I haven't heard any bad news....
If all goes well, the micRo will soon be in constant stock!
(PS, wishing I could drink a beer, don't want to anger the Gods of the gullet...yet) Cheers anyway!
Whilst vomiting blood and laying about shivering; in between the screaming baby episodes and lack of sleep; I've had some keyboard time to add to our favorite robot's inventory. As reported I've added RJ45 breakouts and color-matched cabling for cleaning up the wiring, as well as cable chain to carry it (China's back FEB 2 in some places, Feb 15 in others, blah). Now I've sourced this very micro-computer to drive it:
Click to view attachmentYou can see the LPT 25p Dsub clearly on the back, as well as a lot of other useful I/O.
Click to view attachmentThis system offers Intel's Atom processor BGA'd onboard, so no processor purchase is required. The footprint is just
10.2" x 8.3" x 2.6"! Numerous configuration options exist, but you can expect a fully configured version, ready to plug-n-play with micRo for <$300.
I'll also offer a hacker's special of the tiny computer featuring the Intel D201GLY board, which has a BGA'd Celeron. Either system is perfectly capable for driving EMC2 when properly configured. When you aren't using the system for your micRo, you can use it for desktop computing, CAD drawing or as a portable set-top/multimedia device. Both systems feature 6 channel audio and GM950 chipsets for good multimedia output...which brings the WAF way up!
prospector
Jan 30 2009, 02:24 PM
if the blood is fresh less worries than if it is black and chunky is it left over Pylori?
tylenol and rum don't play well together.
Still Dr.s have endoscopes and stuff to look around you can get one at the autoparts store and return it I suppose if you need to have a look yourself. Would make a nice vid... Rigid makes one that they claim will withstand ten feet underwater I dunno about the acid in your gut.
The other alternative is to swallow cotton gauze soaked in milk and clean the esophagus Yogi style then throw the gunk under a scope.

You don't swallow and pass it leave enough slack to pull it back up and out.
or you could go to a Dr.
Get well!
Cheeso
Jan 30 2009, 02:27 PM
Get well soon Grayson!!
Regards,
Gerhard
llamatrails
Jan 30 2009, 03:27 PM
QUOTE (prospector @ Jan 30 2009, 09:24 AM)

Still Dr.s have endoscopes and stuff to look around you can get one at the autoparts store and return it I suppose if you need to have a look yourself. Would make a nice vid... Rigid makes one that they claim will withstand ten feet underwater I dunno about the acid in your gut.
Hookup the snake video to the RoGR, control it with EMC2, and watch the video in real time !!
josheeg
Jan 30 2009, 10:39 PM
QUOTE (brainchild @ May 17 2008, 12:05 PM)

I've factored a 24v, 5A power supply into the $500 cost. The drivers top out @ 30V, so 24V is an excellent choice for speed and safety. Recent advances on the driver-front have offered some excellent options.
A way, screw and motor must be carefully matched for constant torque loads, + delta . A big screw is of little use to a small motor, since most of the motor power is consumed turning the big screw instead of doing the actual work (10th gear uphill on your bike).
I was looking at the arduino microcontroler design that reprap used for their rapid prototiping plastic layer...
I have 3 boarduino usb's their from adafruit. A USA based arduino design that works great with solderless breadboards reprap has some good motor control stuff and I use linux and kicad so I wonder if I can rerap the boarduino usb and reprap into a cnc controler that uses the usb to com port converter or a arduino with a built in usb...
Also what reading this makes me think of with size and tolerances I imagine the lead screws are expensive I looked around but also on instructables I seen threaded rod designs. I know they say their not as good but that could allow for someone to get a micro and then upgrade when they want to work with small surface mount pcb board cutting... I like the sparkfun hot plate smd soldering method.
brainchild
Jan 31 2009, 05:56 AM
Ok, enough laying around....I HAD to go to the shop to see what's up. First up was a bunch of cables, breakouts so forth...
This company sends free skittles with large orders; check one.
Click to view attachmentThese are the RJ45 breakout boxes:
Click to view attachmentThis allows us to go from messy wiring:
Click to view attachmentTo something cleaner (thermal paste on motor from heat testing):
Click to view attachmentOther mounting points are possible:
Click to view attachmentI also hooked up a piece of cable chain so you guys can see how it works. The new gantry bloks are flat and the motor is flush mounted, so a breakout box can be located under the motor to receive the CAT5 patch cable:
Click to view attachmentNext, on to the plastic....
brainchild
Jan 31 2009, 06:18 AM
Deep breaths...
Well, when I showed up I found the plastic still in the hall; guess I was wrong about Robin checking it in. To boot, it was in a sad looking state:
Click to view attachmentI immediately went for the Z way holders, and several things, first of which is that the plastic is a slightly different color and texture:
Click to view attachmentQuick calping showed the critical dimensions to be to the thou, but the "sheet" dimension is under spec. It is not a deal killer, but it is annoying!
Click to view attachmentNext is to stack it and count the inventory. While this is a lot of pieces, it seems too small a pile:
Click to view attachmentRobin is chagrined:
Click to view attachmentAnd the final tally is????
Click to view attachmentSummary: UHWM not there, and the big expensive micRo gantry bloks not there. (RoGR people don't sweat it, I'll get it from a "reliable source" quickly.) While there is well-cut plastic for the micRo Z way holders, they did short us a couple dozen pieces. It does not stop production, but it does cut into our future machines, which is what the plastic on the table represents. The color difference is annoying; we have requested product uniformity 3 times, and asserted our product is retail and the supplies must be clean and uniform. I would
never let that out of my shop, but now my hands are forced with so many waiting. That said, they improved their tolerances considerably, and the pieces are usable. The Devil's hooks...calling all plastic suppliers!!! A huge contract awaits those who can hold a high(er) standard!
Cheeso
Jan 31 2009, 06:49 AM
If I were you guys, I'd give Professional Plastics, INC the BOOT! With so many companies straining under the current economic self-fulfilling prophesy we find ourselves in, one would have thought they'd be doing a better job.
Surely you can find a more reliable supplier who takes pride in their work and understands what you guys are asking for...
Hang in there guys!
Regards,
Gerhard
brainchild
Jan 31 2009, 06:58 AM
QUOTE (Cheeso @ Jan 31 2009, 01:49 AM)

If I were you guys, I'd give Professional Plastics, INC the BOOT! With so many companies straining under the current economic self-fulfilling prophesy we find ourselves in, one would have thought they'd be doing a better job.
Surely you can find a more reliable supplier who takes pride in their work and understands what you guys are asking for...
Hang in there guys!
Regards,
Gerhard
Hi Gerhard, You'd think...right? I always try American companies first; and some deliver, but too many are 'fat and happy', getting by on 401K's and paid insurance plans. Meanwhile,
real American high-tech businesses (like Lumenlab) suffer due to this incompetence and/or lassitude. I can tell you nobody is paying my (non)insurance...if my family eats, it is by my wits. Blah.
Cheeso
Jan 31 2009, 07:06 AM
I feel your pain Grayson!
One would hope for a good cleansing of the market in these times... Saying that, even though you're under pressure in delivering the Micro's, maybe you should send the shipment back to P.P. INC. At least we won't be contributing to their perceived "happy-fatness" then. I speak for myself in saying that I won't mind waiting a little longer if you'd decide to send it back.
Cheers,
Gerhard
brainchild
Jan 31 2009, 07:09 AM
PS, my "private investigator diploma" is framed in a "Big Lots" frame, a joke, but the diploma is real! Kellie has one, as well as ol'skool 'labber Scott Furr.
brainchild
Jan 31 2009, 07:17 AM
QUOTE (Cheeso @ Jan 31 2009, 02:06 AM)

I feel your pain Grayson!
One would hope for a good cleansing of the market in these times... Saying that, even though you're under pressure in delivering the Micro's, maybe you should send the shipment back to P.P. INC. At least we won't be contributing to their "happy-fatness" then. I speak for myself in saying that I won't mind waiting a little longer if you'd decide to send it back.
Cheers,
Gerhard
How I feel too (well rather to go get in their faces). The plastic is up-to-spec dimensionally on the critical axes, which makes it usable, and not everyone is tolerant of this waiting; including me! I fully expect the micRo to reach critical mass in the next few months; sales have been
increasing though the news is always bad economically. This is because the micRo is valid and useful; a value proposition (my dream is to produce a product that makes everyone who buys, sells or uses it more enriched than when they started).
Blah, I'm rambling! Who's in NY? DIY management call out!
brainchild
Jan 31 2009, 08:51 AM
Some things I use for inspiration...
The Pioneer right next to my mouse:
Click to view attachmentThe servo-drive Denon deck, which is glorious:
Click to view attachmentNevermind the wax itself....
GadgetSmith
Jan 31 2009, 02:06 PM
QUOTE (brainchild @ Jan 31 2009, 02:17 AM)

Who's in NY? DIY management call out!
Need something?
wattsei
Jan 31 2009, 06:52 PM
QUOTE
Who's in NY? DIY management call out!
NY, NY! Anything you need just say the word and I'm on it.
brainchild
Jan 31 2009, 07:32 PM
Can someone go by...
Professional Plastics, Inc.
3242 Union Road
Cheektowaga, NY 14227
and tell me if Igor is working the stock?
GadgetSmith
Jan 31 2009, 08:56 PM
hmmm... only 2.5 miles to the thruway from my home, and only 1.5 miles off the thruway to PP Inc. too bad there is 260 miles between...
Alex Chally
Jan 31 2009, 10:14 PM
That stack of plastic makes me feel funny inside.
I know you guys are working slightly faster then humanly possible (maybe you are robots made by the real brainchild and rturner?) but I was wondering if there was an ETA now that the plastic is in your hands?
brainchild
Feb 1 2009, 03:37 AM
QUOTE (Alex Chally @ Jan 31 2009, 05:14 PM)

That stack of plastic makes me feel funny inside.
I know you guys are working slightly faster then humanly possible (maybe you are robots made by the real brainchild and rturner?) but I was wondering if there was an ETA now that the plastic is in your hands?
Hi Alex, provided you aren't waiting on anything else from us, and you can accept the slight color variance, your micRo could ship by week's end (giving myself some buffer, could get sick or something).
roger_eriksen
Feb 1 2009, 12:06 PM
QUOTE (brainchild @ Feb 1 2009, 04:37 AM)

Hi Alex, provided you aren't waiting on anything else from us, and you can accept the slight color variance, your micRo could ship by week's end (giving myself some buffer, could get sick or something).
Speaking for myself, the color variations doesn't matter at all. Can't wait to get my hands on the micRo... So in my case just ship it as the parts are finished
QUOTE (brainchild @ Jan 31 2009, 10:37 PM)

Hi Alex, provided you aren't waiting on anything else from us, and you can accept the slight color variance, your micRo could ship by week's end (giving myself some buffer, could get sick or something).
Don't care about color variations either.
I am in Jersey by NYC so Buffalo is too far for the moment. I have a vendor I use up in that neck of the woods and will be up there in the spring when the snow melts (July?)
just mike
Feb 1 2009, 01:00 PM
i'm fine either way with the plastic, whether you keep it or send it back to ProPlas.
however either way, you need to send them an angry-gram.
have all of these "quality" shipments come from there NY region? can you request supplies from one of their
other regions? Atlanta seems closest.
just mike
Feb 1 2009, 01:03 PM
it also occurs to me that if the texture is different, is it possible it doesn't have the properties you require?
or is completely not what you need?
is there some way to find out from them exactly what they sent you?
brainchild
Feb 1 2009, 09:02 PM
QUOTE (roger_eriksen @ Feb 1 2009, 07:06 AM)

Speaking for myself, the color variations doesn't matter at all. Can't wait to get my hands on the micRo... So in my case just ship it as the parts are finished

Check.
QUOTE (mjw @ Feb 1 2009, 07:22 AM)

Don't care about color variations either.
I am in Jersey by NYC so Buffalo is too far for the moment. I have a vendor I use up in that neck of the woods and will be up there in the spring when the snow melts (July?)
Check.
QUOTE (just mike @ Feb 1 2009, 08:00 AM)

i'm fine either way with the plastic, whether you keep it or send it back to ProPlas.
however either way, you need to send them an angry-gram.
have all of these "quality" shipments come from there NY region? can you request supplies from one of their
other regions? Atlanta seems closest.
Check.
QUOTE (just mike @ Feb 1 2009, 08:03 AM)

it also occurs to me that if the texture is different, is it possible it doesn't have the properties you require?
or is completely not what you need?
is there some way to find out from them exactly what they sent you?
Good call. I looked over their site and I believe they have used "Star-Board" HDPE, probably because it is more flat (yet sheet tolerance is less than the 5%, it is consistently less), since I griped about that last time. Either way, we'll try to find out tomorrow.
Forgot to add that if so, the spec is ok, but we want to machine some tomorrow and do some tests.
Jan Erik
Feb 1 2009, 09:09 PM
color variance is no problem for me either.
How is the status on plastic for RoGr nuts ?
brainchild
Feb 1 2009, 09:14 PM
QUOTE (Jan Erik @ Feb 1 2009, 04:09 PM)

color variance is no problem for me either.
How is the status on plastic for RoGr nuts ?
Check. You may have missed that the nut plastic was omitted. I will order from elsewhere tomorrow (Monday).
neorazz
Feb 1 2009, 09:57 PM
QUOTE (roger_eriksen @ Feb 1 2009, 07:06 AM)

Speaking for myself, the color variations doesn't matter at all. Can't wait to get my hands on the micRo... So in my case just ship it as the parts are finished

i agree the color of the plastic is irrelevant thats what
paint is made for so the underlying color of the hdpe doesn't matter to me
whats the cost of adding on the wire blocks and chain you said they where avalible but there not listed in the store that i can find
mas3773
Feb 2 2009, 05:24 AM
I'll agree with the others. Assuming this is not a dramatically inferior material on that piece, I have no issues with a color variation. Hell, after having my order in for 7 months (eh, who's counting right?) I'm just wanting to get my micRo in hand, lol. Worst comes to worse, you could provide specs on that piece and we can mill out a replacement piece while using the other as a temporary solution.
I can't believe the hassles with that company though. Seems like they need some uh...rethinking of their quality control and customer service.
pagercam
Feb 2 2009, 09:18 AM
I haven't ordered a micro (no money) so I don't deserve a vote. I would be concerned that using any of the provided materials lessens your ability to negotiate with the vendor. As much as I would hurt deliveries, returning the material and walking away is the only leverage that a customer really has.
Alex Chally
Feb 2 2009, 09:40 AM
I do not mind the color difference either, I would really like to have the machine on hand and to play with it.
OK heres something crazy. Can you dye the the plastic maybe use some purple plumbing primer?
Now you have a color option and can charge 5 bucks more. (except me since I thought of it)
raygun
Feb 2 2009, 03:49 PM
Well screw those plastics, lets see the micro do its stuff!
prospector
Feb 2 2009, 04:02 PM
How about a local plastics company in town call up Charlie Silver over on Riverside drive and see if his sales rep has a guy selling your materials in town could be worth a shot right?
tlahoda
Feb 2 2009, 04:58 PM
The plastic can be bright flaming pink for all I care, I just want my micro
GadgetSmith
Feb 2 2009, 05:11 PM
color is not an issue. (form)
I say, your call; whatever you think is best. (fit, function)
thanks for all your effort !

cheers.
neorazz
Feb 2 2009, 06:43 PM
QUOTE (neorazz @ Feb 1 2009, 04:57 PM)

QUOTE (mjw @ Feb 2 2009, 06:41 AM)

OK heres something crazy. Can you dye the the plastic maybe use some purple plumbing primer?
Now you have a color option and can charge 5 bucks more. (except me since I thought of it)
except that i thought of it first and its avalible at walmart mine will be the first micro with racing stripes
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