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Quasi_Mojo
Found today on Gizmodo.com:

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If you are planning on picking up an HDTV in the near future, HD Guru's list of the 10 worst HDTV ripoffs for 2008 is required reading—pure and simple. Chances are, many consumers have already heard about the issue with HDMI cables—which is probably one of the biggest scams of all time (right up there with Q-Ray ionized bracelets and the Ionic Breeze). Other scams, like the one involving contrast ratio specifications are also making their way into the public consciousness.

However, there are still plenty of pitfalls that the novice consumer needs to avoid before making the commitment to drop a serious amount of cash on a new HDTV. The list summary is as follows:

Fake HD and Cable Satellite Channels: Did you know that a number of HD channels broadcast a lot of "fake HD?" Anyone who has ever watched some of TNT's HD broadcasts can attest to that.

Dynamic Contrast Ratio Measurement Specification: The contrast ratio number is basically meaningless.

Line Conditioners: They do nothing to improve the HDTV image.

Deep Color: No deep color sources makes this a worthless feature.

x.v.Color: Until Laser TVs and xv Color HD discs appear on the scene, this feature is not truly useful.

1080p HDTVs below 42" (diagonal): If you own a HDTV under 42", chances are you won't recognize the quality difference over 720p—unless you are standing really close to the TV.

Flat LCD HDTVs 26" and Smaller: The image quality of LCD HDTVs in the 26" inch range or lower is generally poor.

120Hz HDMI Cables: As mentioned before, expensive HDMI cables are a huge ripoff. Case in point, decent HDMI cable for less than $2. I bought a few myself and they work fine.

Off Brand Model HDTVs: No-name brands may cost you more down the line.

HDMI: Horrible connector design can prove problematic. Always pretest your connections.

So there you have it. If you do your homework, you can save yourself a lot of problems (and money) down the line. For a full explanation on the items in this list, check out the HD Guru link.

http://gizmodo.com/384902/the-10-worst-hdt...poffs-explained
OKflyboy
I can attest to 1, 2, 8, and 10 right off the bat...
teamwindsor
I disagree with the no-name or minor brand HDTV's costing more in the long run. I never really have the funds to buy a top of the range brand so use ebuyer.com for all my electronics, getting some really odd makes. the tv i have at the moment being a "Cibox", and i have never had a single problem with any of them. more often than not they use branded parts anway, reading reviews this one surposedly has a panasonic screen.

Its always nice to have a 3 year complete warrenty though! so as i see it you can often save yourself a fair bit of cash and if it breaks (which none of mine have) you get another one or a refund!
Quasi_Mojo
QUOTE (teamwindsor @ Apr 29 2008, 12:40 PM) *
I disagree with the no-name or minor brand HDTV's costing more in the long run.

They provide further explanation on the HDGuru site:

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Buying no name brands will save you money, but they may be nearly as expensive to repair as to replace after the factory warranty expires. In fact, some models have no post warranty service or parts available. For more information go to
http://hdguru.com/your-new-disposable-flat-panel-hdtv/107/
Bluedog
I disagree with number 6. I have an Acer 3705 which is a 37" 1080 and there is a significant difference over the non high definition set. People come in and comment on the picture. It was also discernible in the showroom, when showing the same picture as the others along side it. It was chalk and cheese.

I cannot comment about sets smaller than 37" as I have not had a HD version.
OKflyboy
QUOTE (Bluedog @ Apr 29 2008, 09:00 PM) *
I disagree with number 6. I have an Acer 3705 which is a 37" 1080 and there is a significant difference over the non high definition set. People come in and comment on the picture. It was also discernible in the showroom, when showing the same picture as the others along side it. It was chalk and cheese.

I cannot comment about sets smaller than 37" as I have not had a HD version.


I think you misread that. The article was saying that you'd not likely tell the difference between 1080p or 720p at that screen size, not the difference between 1080p and SD.
Bluedog
QUOTE (OKflyboy @ Apr 30 2008, 12:08 PM) *
I think you misread that. The article was saying that you'd not likely tell the difference between 1080p or 720p at that screen size, not the difference between 1080p and SD.


Sorry I miss wrote my response. I meant to say that you can see the difference between 1080 and 720p on this set compared with the others, sorry. You can see the differences between the two on this set. I would argue that on many of the others this was no as easily seen. I think it depends on the screen installed and the processing electronics. I think it is very wrong to make blanket statements about things like this. It is also said that some people cannot see the difference between HD and SD. Maybe these people just shouldn't bother with HD at all.

I certainly can see the difference between HD and SD!

What many do struggle with is the term 'HD', which means many things to many people. When I talk HD I am talking 1080p.
jonjandran
Yea it's just like anything. The more you study something the more you are aware of it.

It's like sound. The more you hear quality sound the more you wonder how you lived with bad sound.

I can tell the disfference between 1080p and 720p on almost any set. Butttttt......

The point is you can't tell the difference once you move back past a certain distance. So yes in a showroom floor standing 5 feet from a set it is easy to tell the difference. But move back 15 feet and you won't be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a set smaller than about 50". The human eye just isn't that good.
DAZZZLA
A local retailer near me that sell “Monster Cable” have a side by side demonstration of their superior quality. laugh.gif The display consists of two LCDTVs one connected with “out of the box” cable and the other with “Monster cable”. The difference is very sticking, the monster cable looks so much better. BUT! Look more closely and you see that the “out of the box” cable is composite and the “monster cable” is component. dry.gif

How can they live with them selves?
GadgetSmith
QUOTE (DAZZZLA @ Apr 30 2008, 02:24 AM) *
A local retailer near me that sell “Monster Cable” have a side by side demonstration of their superior quality. laugh.gif The display consists of two LCDTVs one connected with “out of the box” cable and the other with “Monster cable”. The difference is very sticking, the monster cable looks so much better. BUT! Look more closely and you see that the “out of the box” cable is composite and the “monster cable” is component. dry.gif

How can they live with them selves?


laugh.gif That's bad...

I can say that not all composite cables are made the same. After investing in a $40 composite Moster branded cable once upon a time, there was a clear difference between it and an "out of the box"; el cheapo; cable... of course I was young and stupid (as opposed to old and "slightly less" stupid now) so now I realize that I could have likely paid $5 for a non-Monster branded cable of similar quality... being this the "digtal age" now, I think cabling should not be as big a deal, but of course, like anything... "use flashy colorful advertising to mislead the masses"...

laugh.gif explain "Fake HD" ? Yes, programming on HD stations is not always HD. Only HD recorded material will ever be HD, everything else will be SD. BUT... typically SD material being transmitted on an HD station will look much better than in being broadcast on the corresponding SD station. Why ? I would think because the conversion is done by extremely good (and expensive) scalers prior to being transmitted, vs. a transmitted signal being compressed, uncompressed, then finally when it arrives to your TV, being scaled to an HD resolution for display... and if it's analog, SD transmissions may have also gone through many/several A/D conversions... AFAIK, HD does not tranmit at all in analog, only digital, so no A/D losses there...

satviewer2000
Re: "Fake HD"

A&E-HD is also notorious for doing this. They show many many programs on their HD channel which are upscaled 480i/480p material. Sure, it may look better than the analog equivalent, but it still looks awful compared to true HD (at least 720p). When I subscribed to these HD channels, I expect to get at least 720p material, not a bunch of upscaled SD material. If they don't have enough true-HD programming, they should not be broadcasting a HD channel.

Nitrogen_Widget
QUOTE (satviewer2000 @ Apr 7 2009, 08:52 PM) *
Re: "Fake HD"

A&E-HD is also notorious for doing this. They show many many programs on their HD channel which are upscaled 480i/480p material. Sure, it may look better than the analog equivalent, but it still looks awful compared to true HD (at least 720p). When I subscribed to these HD channels, I expect to get at least 720p material, not a bunch of upscaled SD material. If they don't have enough true-HD programming, they should not be broadcasting a HD channel.


I agree 100%
I don't own an HDTV yet because I don't think there is enough content out there to warrant it.
I've got a 32" tube that's big enough for now.

My friends all have LCD TV's & unless their using the antenna it just doesn't look all that amazing on cable & sattelite.
Which I find ironically funny.

You have this new state of the art TV but you get the best picture by hooking it up to the giant metal monstrosity on the roof you havn't used since cable came down your road? LOL!
RaginRudolph
Unless you live in a sports bar more than likely you'll only have one TV in a single room,it's not going to be like Best Buy where you can compare all different models side by side,so if your 42" or 56" has 720p I guarantee that will be the best looking picture in the house save some money go 720p.

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sdubb
QUOTE (Nitrogen_Widget @ Apr 8 2009, 06:09 AM) *
You have this new state of the art TV but you get the best picture by hooking it up to the giant metal monstrosity on the roof you havn't used since cable came down your road? LOL!


Yeah and I love it plus its FREE FREE FREE I will take my "giant metal monstrosity on the roof" and TV and happily watch it whenever I can.

I still don't have cable down the road laugh.gif
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