ig4you
Apr 17 2008, 04:27 PM
I am currently in talks with the company that manifactures the controller.
Here are some specs:
Functionality:
· Full HD inputs
· WUXGA Panel resolution supported (1920x1200 pixel)
- Keystoning function
· 4 button OSD control plus power button
· Dual scaler for PIP and Side by Side
· IR remote control
· Control through serial communication
· Power save function
Configuration:
· Panel timing: Custom timings can be programmed.
· RGB mode wizard. Programming the RGB mode table to accept special RGB signals.
· Splash Logo: Custom start-up logos available.
· EDID contents configuration: Plug And Play configuration including manufacture mane available.
Input:
DVI-D with HDCP
· Resolution: Up to WUXGA - 1600x1200@65Hz or 1920x1200@55Hz
· Pixel frequency: Up to 165MHz
DVI-A
· Resolution: UXGA, 1600x1200 @65Hz or 1920x1200@55Hz
· Pixel frequency: Up to 165MHz
· Horizontal frequency: 15kHz-100kHz
· Vertical frequency: 30Hz-100Hz (up to 1280x1024), 30Hz-65Hz (up to 1600x1200)
· Sync on green, Separate H- and V-sync
Composite video:
· PAL/NTSC/SECAM and all sub standards
S-video:
· PAL/NTSC/SECAM and all sub standards
Component video (YPbPr):
· PAL/NTSC/SECAM and all sub standards
System I/O:
- Panel output: LVDS (10 bit), TTL optional. 8 individual timings available
- Backlight control: 1xPWM, 1x analogue, BL enable, V-sync, 1xGPIO, GND
- HMI: 2xPWM, 8xGPIO, 2xADC, 5V, GND, 1xI2C (SDA, SCL)
- Serial communication: 1xRS232C (Rx, Tx, GND), 1xRS485 (Differential Rx/Tx,
- Infrared receiver: 1xIR (IR, 5V, GND)
- Inter board communication: I2C (SDA, SCL, 5V, GND)
- Panel power: 3.3V; 2.5A, 5.0V; 2.5A; 12.0V
- Power supply: 12V regulated ± 10% (2x12V, 2xGND)
- Power out: 12V, GND, 5V, GND
- Fan control: 12V, 5V, 1xPWM (open drain) , Tacho, GND
Bluedog
Apr 17 2008, 10:37 PM
What's your point? Did you buy one or do you want to sell these here? There are controllers on LL that are very good you know. You have to spell out what you are saying.
ig4you
Apr 17 2008, 11:17 PM
QUOTE (Bluedog @ Apr 17 2008, 06:37 PM)

What's your point? Did you buy one or do you want to sell these here? There are controllers on LL that are very good you know. You have to spell out what you are saying.
I will sell those if all goes well (have to test one first).
insertname
Apr 18 2008, 12:51 AM
Another pixel works board, thats what, three now? JJ, Crazy and this one?
Bluedog
Apr 18 2008, 12:57 AM
Have you looked at the competition? They have HDMI not just DVI and a lot more possible connections as well. What does this have that the others don't? Is there a price advantage? If there are no advantages, no offense intended, why bother?
ig4you
Apr 18 2008, 01:36 AM
QUOTE (Bluedog @ Apr 17 2008, 08:57 PM)

Have you looked at the competition? They have HDMI not just DVI and a lot more possible connections as well. What does this have that the others don't? Is there a price advantage? If there are no advantages, no offense intended, why bother?
This is just a main board, there are additional boards (just like Winmate controller) they connect to main board like component etc.. plus it has keystone correction and it's is not from China or Taiwan it is a quality product, it is also firmware upgradeable. Even if this controller does not have HDMI you can always get an adapter for $2.
here are some additional images.
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5184/componentuk4.jpghttp://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9759/keypadpx5.jpghttp://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5199/remoteqk7.jpghttp://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6159/mainboardnn3.jpgOn screen menu sample:
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/9255/menusamplesv4.jpg
Bluedog
Apr 18 2008, 02:23 AM
QUOTE (ig4you @ Apr 18 2008, 11:36 AM)

Even if this controller does not have HDMI you can always get an adapter for $2.
NO you cannot. That only passes the video part of the signal NOT the full signal containing the audio part as well. This is a very important distinction.
ig4you
Apr 18 2008, 02:26 AM
QUOTE (Bluedog @ Apr 17 2008, 10:23 PM)

NO you cannot. That only passes the video part of the signal NOT the full signal containing the audio part as well. This is a very important distinction.
Can't you connect external speakers? Current pixelworks controller also does not have speakers (it is an add on card)
Bluedog
Apr 18 2008, 02:29 AM
QUOTE (ig4you @ Apr 18 2008, 11:36 AM)

and it's is not from China or Taiwan it is a quality product, it is also firmware upgradeable.
Where is it from then? What makes you think anything from China or Taiwan is substandard? Do you watch a TV .... in 90%+ cases they come from one of these or the major components come from these.
I don't think a standard comment like you have made helps. I think you will find most of the LCD screens come from China or Taiwan as well.
QUOTE (ig4you @ Apr 18 2008, 12:26 PM)

Can't you connect external speakers? Current pixelworks controller also does not have speakers (it is an add on card)
You obviously don't understand how HDMI works or what it is for.
ig4you
Apr 18 2008, 02:30 AM
QUOTE (Bluedog @ Apr 17 2008, 10:28 PM)

Where is it from then? What makes you think anything from China or Taiwan is substandard? Do you watch a TV .... in 90%+ cases they come from one of these or the major components come from these.
I don't think a standard comment like you have made helps. I think you will find most of the LCD screens come from China or Taiwan as well.
You are absolutely right, but this is not the case, I think only the controller chip is made in China, everything else is not (including programming).
Bluedog
Apr 18 2008, 02:36 AM
QUOTE (ig4you @ Apr 18 2008, 12:30 PM)

You are absolutely right, but this is not the case, I think only the controller chip is made in China, everything else is not (including programming).
Then how does this aid your argument? What is the key functional element if it ia not the controller chip? Programming is limited to the ability of the chip to process the commands .... hence the chip is king.
I think you will find that the programming is also done in china. They are very good at this too. You seem to have the attitude that nothing good comes from China, how wrong this is.
ig4you
Apr 18 2008, 02:45 AM
QUOTE (Bluedog @ Apr 17 2008, 10:29 PM)

Where is it from then? What makes you think anything from China or Taiwan is substandard? Do you watch a TV .... in 90%+ cases they come from one of these or the major components come from these.
I don't think a standard comment like you have made helps. I think you will find most of the LCD screens come from China or Taiwan as well.
You obviously don't understand how HDMI works or what it is for.
Well I'm not going to argue with you, but I'm going to say that I have a degree in information systems and hardware design.
Irwin AR
Apr 18 2008, 06:08 AM
i'm gonna add a little about this particular controller that ig4u is mentioning about.
IMHO compared to other controller available across LL , spec & build wise, this could soon be
the favourites among DIYers if available.
some features includes :-
- up to 4 (or maybe 6 IIRC) interchangable panel type/model using only a dip switch. (advantage!!)
- 10-bit video processing
- PW328 pixelworks processor (i think 1:1 is pretty common for pixelworks, but need to confirm)
- Pixelworks own DNX processing (it should also have pixelboost or commonly known to all as overdrive
but need to ask)
PW328 is also used InF0cus IN78 PJ costing US$2600
and ig4u, while you're in contact with them, do check if they would consider support for self panel programming
by user/forum rep. in order for ensure that the members can panel program themselves in the future. Currently
only Kontron (Genesis GM1601) does this. This is the most desired for most diyers.
it holds at EUR200+ per piece i think..
so ig4u go for it
all the best for the LL community!!
Bluedog
Apr 18 2008, 06:57 AM
Thank you Irwin AR. That is what I was asking in the first place, "what is it about this controller that is different?", not a denigration of the Chinese and Taiwanese.
Thanks. Price is a little steep I think.
ig4you
Apr 18 2008, 11:42 AM
QUOTE (Irwin AR @ Apr 18 2008, 02:08 AM)

i'm gonna add a little about this particular controller that ig4u is mentioning about.
IMHO compared to other controller available across LL , spec & build wise, this could soon be
the favourites among DIYers if available.
some features includes :-
- up to 4 (or maybe 6 IIRC) interchangable panel type/model using only a dip switch. (advantage!!)
- 10-bit video processing
- PW328 pixelworks processor (i think 1:1 is pretty common for pixelworks, but need to confirm)
- Pixelworks own DNX processing (it should also have pixelboost or commonly known to all as overdrive
but need to ask)
PW328 is also used InF0cus IN78 PJ costing US$2600
and ig4u, while you're in contact with them, do check if they would consider support for self panel programming
by user/forum rep. in order for ensure that the members can panel program themselves in the future. Currently
only Kontron (Genesis GM1601) does this. This is the most desired for most diyers.
it holds at EUR200+ per piece i think..
so ig4u go for it
all the best for the LL community!!
Yes they do support self programming (all needed cables available, firmware files too, and yes it supports 1:1 scaling mode)
greymalkin
Apr 18 2008, 03:59 PM
QUOTE (Bluedog @ Apr 18 2008, 02:23 AM)

NO you cannot. That only passes the video part of the signal NOT the full signal containing the audio part as well. This is a very important distinction.
yeah, because you're going to use the speakers built into your projector to watch movies
ig4you
Apr 18 2008, 06:16 PM
QUOTE (greymalkin @ Apr 18 2008, 11:59 AM)

yeah, because you're going to use the speakers built into your projector to watch movies

Why can't you build in speakers if you have DVI?
ig4you
Apr 18 2008, 06:27 PM
QUOTE (crazychen @ Apr 18 2008, 10:15 AM)

I'm Chinese, live in mainland and have a Ph.D on EE. I really dont want to join this discussion about quality of China (and please remember, Taiwan is also a part of China) goods. Just want to clarfy some issues because I have the first hand materials:
1. Until now, all the controllers you can find in LL are made in China mainland
2. A lot of chips and components are desinged/assembled in China (mainland or taiwan)
3. All the controllers are programmed by China engineers (and I have direct contact with them). All of them can provide reprogramming service.
4. PW chips are designed in Sliconbay. MST chip is designed in China taiwan.
5. I dont like to make judegement just based on where them come from. I'd like to see uers' feedback.
Hello how are you? Nothing personal but many companies in China don't follow strict ISO standards and they don't test the end product as they suppose to (the product is raw). I have bought many products from Cnina including DVD players and PMP's and I can tell you that the quality is not that great. DVD players usually failed after 1-2 months. Also maybe there are good programmers in China, but then again why some functions work like crap?
I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST CHINA OR IT'S PEOPLE.
It depends on the company I guess.
QUOTE (crazychen @ Apr 19 2008, 01:54 AM)

Shall we just focus on the boards?
That would be me...I'm board!
Really though, a little more tack wouldn't hurt. We're here to help, encourage and learn, not put down.
jonjandran
May 1 2008, 01:45 PM
QUOTE (DJH @ Apr 30 2008, 10:41 PM)

Really though, a little more tack wouldn't hurt. We're here to help, encourage and learn, not put down.
I thought he was very tactful.
How about this ?
Everyone keep it On Topic or this thread goes Bye Bye.
jonjandran
Sorry, I think I may have been misunderstood. I was referring to some of the initial responses made to ig4you in this thread. We don't need to go throwing water on people excitement and desire to present new ideas. (Now back to thread)
ig4you
I am very interested in what you find out about this controller...keep us posted. Thats what makes this whole DIY thing so interesting, learning about all the options that are available in this fast-paced technological world.
I am curious though about how that keystoning function works. I thought they had to be mechanical like our split lens system. Any idea?
jonjandran
May 1 2008, 09:59 PM
QUOTE (DJH @ May 1 2008, 05:56 PM)

jonjandran
Sorry, I think I may have been misunderstood. I was referring to some of the initial responses made to ig4you in this thread. We don't need to go throwing water on people excitement and desire to present new ideas. (Now back to thread)
Oh I understood. I was directing the "Stay on Topic" comment more towards others