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tiddler
CIL DULUX Exterior
Stucco, Masonry, & Siding, Flat Tinted "Veil"
~vs~
Black Widow (AAA) Valspar Ultra Premium Interior Flat Enamel


Initially I had used this CIL-Dulux paint tinted Veil as a reference gray to compare to the Black Widow (AAA) versions I had implemented using base paints from Home Depot. As it turns out the Behr 1050 and CIL Matte base paints are not suitable to implement the Black Widow (AAA) mix. As a result my first impressions of the Black Widow were not favorable. This comparison is more inline with the results that the developers of the Black Widow mix were observing and presenting.

Room Lights:

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While the CIL-Dulux "Veil" is slightly darker than the BW-AAA it is reasonably close.

Camera Flash:

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The camera flash reveals there is something different about the BW-AAA.


The following images were all taken with a bare 25 watt bulb providing ambient light.

Projected White Light On Axis:

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Finally I get to see some of that Black Widow magic!


Projected White Light Off Axis (~45 degrees):

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The two panels appear to have identical off axis drop off with the CIL-DULUX "Veil" having a slight edge.


Black & White Bars:

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No question here the BW-AAA has whiter whites and similar blacks. If the CIL-DULUX was tinted the more usual "Universal Gray" the BW-AAA would live up to the claim of whiter whites and blacker blacks.


Dark Scene:

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The CIL_DULUX "Veil" is naturally darker, being less reflective.


Medium Flesh Tones:

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Light Flesh Tones:

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Dark Flesh Tones:

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Bright Colors:

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Comments:
So this one was for mech. Black Widow (AAA) when implemented correctly is much better than an exterior off the shelf neutral gray. BUT! That is only true when the proper base paint is used. So in the end we were both right. No big surprise to me as I suspected there were significant differences in the sheen of the various "FLAT" base paints. Of course I have been saying this from the beginning and recommending the Black Widow (AAA) to people but with the caution that they use the exact same ingredients as mech. I went further to recommend that if you want to see the same degree of difference, as mech presented, between your new screen and a sample panel then be sure to paint the sample panel with a very flat neutral gray such as True Value "Winter Mountain". So nothing has changed in my opinion but now I have confirmed it.


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tiddler
CIL-DULUX Exterior
Stucco, Masonry, & Siding, Flat Tinted "Veil"
~vs~
Black Widow (AAA) Valspar Flat


Just to show that the choice of the base paint can make or break the Black Widow mix I compared the CIL-Dulux Exterior Flat to the BW-AAA-Valspar-Flat. If I had only tried this Valspar base I would still be somewhat skeptical about the merits of the Black Widow mix.

Room Lights:

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The CIL-DULUX "Veil" is slightly darker in shade than the BW-AAA-Valspar-Flat. Keep this in mind when you observe that the BW-AAA-Valspar_Flat appears to be slightly brighter. Is it brighter or just a lighter shade of gray? You be the judge.

Camera Flash:

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The following images were all taken with a bare 25 watt bulb providing ambient light.

Projected White Light On Axis:

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Projected White Light Off Axis (~45 degrees):

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A distinct advantage of the BW-AAA-Valspar-Flat over this neutral gray paint with some sheen is clearly demonstrated when you move off axis. Not that the BW-AAA is brighter. It is not brighter than the Behr 1850 that are in the outside positions though. Again choice of brand and base can make a big difference in OTS neutral grays as well as BW-AAA mixes.

Black & White Bars:

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Dark Scene:

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Medium Flesh Tones:

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Light Flesh Tones:

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Dark Flesh Tones:

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Bright Colors:

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Comments:
The BW-AAA-Valspar-Flat does demonstrate a slight advantage over an off-the-shelf neutral gray of the same shade. I would select the BW-AAA-Valspar-Flat over the CIL-DULUX but possible not over the Behr 1850.

I don't particularly like the Behr 1850 because it does not level out as well as some other paints. On the other hand if you review the texture photos for the BW-AAA-Valspar-Flat it also does not level out very well. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.



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I have gone through and added some comments and conclusions to the Comparisons To Black Widow (AAA) Valspar Flat Enamel posts.

It starts here.

There will be a couple of appendices:
One for the results from my water dilution experiment.

One for the 4:1:1 mix of BW-AAA-Valspar-Duramax-Flat and Kilz2.

I also have quite a stack of sample cards to send out to some people and get spectrometer readings, spectral reflectance curves, and possibly some gain curve plots. Any volunteers? smile.gif
tiddler
Water Dilution Experiment - BW-BJA-Olympic-Flat

The main reason for diluting a paint with water, when applying with a roller, is to get a smoother finish with less texture. So let's see if that is true.

No Water Added ~vs~ 5% Water Added
No Water Added
5% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 10% Water Added
No Water Added
10% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 15% Water Added
No Water Added
15% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 20% Water Added
No Water Added
20% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 30% Water Added
No Water Added
30% Water Added

The texture does seem to be reduced noticeably starting with 10-15% water added.

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tiddler
Water Dilution Experiment - BW-BJA-Olympic-Flat

The main reason for doing this experiment was to determine if the additon of water to a Black Widow ix would have any effect on the density of aluminum flakes available at the surface.

No Water Added ~vs~ 5% Water Added
No Water Added
5% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 10% Water Added
No Water Added
10% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 15% Water Added
No Water Added
15% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 20% Water Added
No Water Added
20% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 30% Water Added
No Water Added
30% Water Added


There is an apparent reduction in the density of visible aluminum flakes starting at 15% water. So the folks that suggested that adding water to thin the paint would change the performance of the mix were correct if the amount of water exceeded 10%.

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tiddler
Water Dilution Experiment - BW-BJA-Olympic-Flat

60x Microscopic Images

No Water Added ~vs~ 5% Water Added
No Water Added
5% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 10% Water Added
No Water Added
10% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 15% Water Added
No Water Added
15% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 20% Water Added
No Water Added
20% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 30% Water Added
No Water Added
30% Water Added

The more water you ad the fewer aluminum flakes there are visible on the surface.

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tiddler
Water Dilution Experiment - BW-BJA-Olympic-Flat

60x Microscopic Images

No Water Added ~vs~ 5% Water Added
No Water Added
5% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 10% Water Added
No Water Added
10% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 15% Water Added
No Water Added
15% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 20% Water Added
No Water Added
20% Water Added

No Water Added ~vs~ 30% Water Added
No Water Added
30% Water Added

There would appear to be a decrease in aluminum flakes visible as the water content is increased.

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