It's here, the new controller. I'm sending the controller to JJ, so he can verfiy some of the features of the controller.

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JJ will have the controller tommorrow to test 1080p and HDCP. I'm take a head count for a group buy.


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I have verifyed that the controller works with the SHARP, TOSHIBA, AND SAMSUNG 15.4 LCDS. I have not tryed LG, but I'm 99.9% positive that it will work.

What's the price point?...if it's the right price you've got +1 for the group buy

ditto on the price point question and +1 interest

capo

I'm in! Maybe even for 2.

Might I suggest we do this like other forums' group buys:

The first person to join starts a list, every subesequent person to join copies the most recent list to their post and adds their name to the bottom.

If you want to leave the group buy, copy the list, remove your name, and paste the remainder in a new post.

It's easy!
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Quick question: where is the power input? Also what is the voltage required?

I think a 12 v input on the inside of the controller would be pretty much perfect!

I don't suppose it will work with a 10.6"?

And I'll chime in for those of us who have a 12.1 panel.

I'm going to personally drive over to the home of the next person who asks if a controller will work with a different size/resolution panel and smack them in the head.

It would only work if you have the right LVDS cable and get the controller programmed for it.

1920x1200 resolution vs 1280x768 resolution and different LVDS cable means no worky worky

JJ = jonjandran?

Do you have any clues as to a time frame for this GB? I'd like to put this into my 3D drawings, are the dimensions available somewhere?

One more thing: will this controller flip/rotate/mirror the output like the G2As? <- this is important to me!

Well... if this controller had to be programmed to work with the 15.4 LCD, why didn't they go ahead and program it to work with the 10.6 and 12.1?
If that's not the way it works, then don't blame us for not knowing. Unless you've got a thing for smacking people in the head.

I was just joking around.

If you didn't know asking about controllers working with Lcds is the #1 most asked question on this forum I think.

And almost any controller can be programmed for the 10.6" and 12.1" but usually that costs a bit to do. And like I said you have to have a custom Lvds cable also. So it is a lot of work. And this controller was being asked for a lot and that is why it was programmed for the 15.4"

The controller has a standard 12v plug, just like the 10.6 MST controllers.

Since we know that HDMI/DVI with 1:1 at 1080p or WUXGA will/should look just as good with this as on the kontron board, I am curious how s-video and component 480i/p looks on this. (gonna be playing lots of wii on mine)
Since this and the kontron board will both be available soon for a similar price point, the decision is kinda hard.
That is the only big difference I can think of, unless this also has a TV tuner like the MST board.
I will wait for the kontron if 480p upscaling quality is better, or it has lots of nice extra features.
Otherwise though I'll take this one. Some pics of component widescreen 480p would be nice.

Will this board be able to hook into an ATX power supply like the kontron board? Or will we have to mod that ourselves?
Does this have PIP or PBP?

Those are just some questions we might want answered.

Really the Kontron board with Hdcp is going to be out soon.

That's been said for over a year now.

And the OSD board just became available last month. And you still have to program the board yourself, and build a Lvds cable yourself.

I think this controller might be a much easier choice for most to make.

in as well (assuming reasonable price and HDCP confirmed)

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I'm in as well (assuming reasonable price and HDCP confirmed).

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Jon,

If you have a xbox360 or PS3 could you test it over component? I'd like to know if the resolution sync causes the screen to blank out often on this controller like it does on the MST.

i second this request!

Me too with the obligatory (assuming reasonable price and HDCP confirmed).

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If you guys have a way to pull the firmware coding in HEX or BIN I’d be happy to take a look at it in terms of modding the timing for different panels.

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Guys I will be testing tomorrow. I'm at work until then and can't test.

Here's the test I do.

Xbox 360 component and VGA. Games and HD-Dvd.
PS3 HDMI and component. Blu-Ray and Games.
Upconverting DVD player component, HDMI, VGA. Dvd's
Dish Network component and HDMI. SD and HD source.
PC Vga and HDMI . HD-DVD and dvd


As for the request about blanking . I have a $4000 commercial projector that blanks with the PS3 using HDMI. And I have a $4000 60" Sony HDTV and it blanks with the Xbox360 and component.

So I think it is a problem with a lot of devices. But I will test it

By blanking you guys are talking about where you're sitting there playing games (quietly) and the projector (drunk on it's own sense of power) just goes black. Then after a second or so it returns?

That sounds like a problem I was having with my G2A. I stuck a heatsink on the Genesis chip and the problem went away.

Yea but with the two examples I mentioned it is slightly different. They blank out at odd times. Like when a movie is starting and it goes from the menu to the first screen. Or when it goes from the FBI screen to the previews. Then you get a "No signal" or black screen for a second. It's quite odd. But it doesn't do it during movies or games. Just at the beginning screens.

From what I understand it is Sync on Green and how the controller determines its input signal resolution. When the screen goes to bright screens (for example the beginning and loading screens for Assassin's Creed) the controller believes it needs to sync again and resets its display.

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Hmm... that actually sounds like it might be a DVD issue of some kind. I get a similar issue every now and then when watching DVDs on my computer with KMplayer. It only happens within the video window, the rest of the desktop remains the same (so it's not a monitor issue).

Sorry, this'll be my last off topic comment on this thread (at least for a while)...

So I'll ask it before anyone else.... I presume HDMI on PS3 (maybe Blu-Ray implies this) and maybe dish network imply 1080p HDCP testing?

Yep HDCP testing on 4 different devices.

PS3 - Blu-Ray - HDMI
Upconverting DVd player- DVD's -HDMI
PC - HD-DVD - HDMI
Dish Network - HD Broadcasting - HDMI

does your xbox 360 have an HDMI port to test as well?

I'm not sure that HDCP is present on the Dish HDMI connection.

Either that or the G2A is HDCP compliant, or the 722i/122 is different from the receiver(s) you have, or content is not flagged ?

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Here's the official results. Boy that was a LOT of testing.

This thing is AWESOME. It literally handled everything I threw at it with flying colors except one noted below.

Here's what I tested.

Upconverting Dvd Player.
Component - 480p/720p/1080i/1080p. Everything perfect.
HDMI - 480p/720p/108i/1080p. Everything perfect.
VGA - 640x480/800x600/1024x768/1280/720/1280x1024. Everything perfect.
HDCP worked fine with HDMI.

Dish Network Vip-622
Component - 480p/720p/1080i/1080p. Everything perfect.
HDMI - 480p/720p/108i/1080p. Everything perfect.
HDCP worked fine with HDMI. (If it is enabled on this player, some say yes, and some no)

Xbox360 with Hd-Dvd Player
Component - 480p/720p/1080i/1080p. Everything perfect.
VGA - 640x480/800x600/1024x768/1280x720/1280x768/1280x1024/1920x1080. Everything perfect except 1280x720, it would not sync just garbled lines. Weird.

HP Pavilion 9260nr with HD-Dvd Player
VGA - Every Resolution worked perfect with no overscan/underscan
HDMI - Every Resolution worked perfect with no overscan/underscan
HDCP worked fine with Hdmi

PS3
Component - 480p/720p/1080i/1080p. Everything perfect.
HDMI - 480p/720p/108i/1080p. Everything perfect.
HDCP worked fine with HDMI.

Wii
Component - 480i/480p . Worked Perfect.

*NOTE* This controller would not work with my 1.25 A power supply. I had to use a 3A power supply to get it to work. But that was with a backlight inverter. So it should take less without the backlight inverter.

Overall I was VERY impressed with this controller. Sd and HD looked pretty darn good.
1:1 worked perfect. It has a 4:3 setting, a 16:9 setting, and a 16:10 setting plus the 1:1 setting.
Also this controller had 3 games built in like snake

Great to hear jonjandran.

This thing can't get here fast enough.

First, thanks a lot for all that testing...I just have one more request. Would you be able to see how it handles svid and composite? Sometimes I just like breaking out those old gaming systems from time to time

If not, that's cool, my main interest was 1080p and HDCP.

Thanks again...

What system or do you want me to test a movie?

And what exactly would I be looking for? It will be blurry and fuzzy to my HD spoiled eyes.

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How did the Wii look at 480p component widescreen jonjandran? (was the scaling nice?)

Yes sir it looked real good.

1:1 was quite small though

I more just want to make sure that it doesn't get super grainy (relative to the fact that it's 480i) or look exceedingly distorted in some manner (both in 1:1 and 4:3). I've seen some (general statement here) chips in the past excel at the high end of their intended use but the engineers completely neglected to ensure decent "backwards compatibility." Anything like a sega genesis or classic nintendo would satisfy my curiosity. Thanks!

Well I don't have an older system hooked up, but I ran several sources through the composite and they looked surprisingly good. No artifacts or weird scaling issues.

The controller doesn't allow 1:1 via composite . It allows 4:3 . 16:9 and 16:10. 16:9 actually looks the best with bars on the side and bottom with nothing distorted and it looks pretty good .

It's weird that it doesn't allow anything to fit it to the whole screen.

What do you mean by that?
Wouldn't 16:10 mode fit anything to the full screen?

No it stretched it to fit top/bottom but still left black bars on the side. And the aspect ratio was off it was stretched. 4:3 was the same but even more vertically stretched because it had larger black bars on the sides.

16:9 was the only one that maintained aspect ratio with slight bars top/bottom and larger bars on the side.

Wow! This thing sounds way cool! I just have a few questions...

1. Does anyone have any clues as to a time frame for this GB?

2. I'd like to put this into my 3D drawings, are the dimensions available somewhere?

3. Will this controller flip/rotate/mirror the output like the G2As? <- this is important to me!

4. Where is the power input? <- "where" not "what"

5. Does this have PIP or PBP?

6. What's the price point? A ballpark would suffice.