DAZZZLA
Dec 25 2007, 12:08 PM
I’ve decided to start a dedicated plog for my10.6” build since it’s getting closer to the end.
Samsung 10.6 with a Genesis controller.
PS2 power supply
327mmFL 3M triplet modified to approximately 345mmFL
150W Osram powerball
60mm silvered reflector
330mm front fresnel
220mm rear fresnel
70mm diameter 75mmFL Pyrex aspheric from SS
Split fresnels
15° fresnel tilt
+- 2° LCD tilt
3 point adjustable triplet mount
Servo driven focus and fresnel tilt
Temp and RPM fan monitoring, turns the lamp off if there is a fault.
All electrics controlled by the remote.
Fan run on for cool down
Small box size. 290mm * 700mm * 260mm
Aluminium chassis with 3mm MDF/ fibreglass case
Ceiling mounted with connections on top and switches / monitoring on the bottom.
Louvered light filter for the fan
Active Ballast cooling.
Aluminium heat shielding around lamp.
DAZZZLA
Dec 25 2007, 12:09 PM
I’ve just copied some of my posts from
this thread so that it keeps the info in one thread.
10.6”LCD Tests:
Power use:
12.6V
With backlight= 1030ma
Without backlight =530ma
Light transmittance test using the sun (5:30PM) with all the films intact (protective sheet held on with tape wasn’t included). Four measurements for each side and then averaged.
Light entering from the back light side: 5.91%
Light entering from the opposite side: 6.49%
With the two silvery films removed from the backlight side of the LCD:
Light entering from the back light side: 5.83%
Light entering from the opposite side: 6.6%
With the first polarizer removed from the front side of the LCD (all films removed) :
Light entering from the back light side: 6.44%
Light entering from the opposite side: 6.73%
I also measured the light transition of the removed first polarizer
39.9% sun light
And parallel transmittance: (using a white screen on a LCD monitor)
85% polarized light
DAZZZLA
Dec 25 2007, 12:15 PM
I used the original metal frame and modified the white plastic holder. After the plastic is cut away it becomes a bit flimsy so I used fibreglass PCB to strengthen it as well as provide a place to attach screws for mounting it into the projector.
This is the jig I used to hold everything square while the epoxy dried.
Click to view attachmentAnd what it looks like without the LCD mounted
Click to view attachmentA couple with it mounted
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachmentI forgot to mention that I had to grind the lip off the metal frame so that it wouldn’t cut into the FFCs. It must be stainless steel because it took quite along time.
DJ
DAZZZLA
Dec 25 2007, 12:17 PM
Here’s a recap of what has been discovered so far about the layers on the 10.6.
From the front:
The clear protective film is simply attached to the LCD with two pieces of tape.
The TAC, 1st polarizer and TAC can be dry peeled all together.
The A/G came off with a water soak. (Very risky).
From the back:
First silver film can be dry peeled in one piece leaving a sticky glue residue.
Second silver film can be dry peeled in horizontal strips. (Easier than trying to remove it in one piece)
The 3rd polarizer still may have some more layers (TAC?) and possibly the second as well but should be left attached.
Click to view attachment
DAZZZLA
Dec 25 2007, 12:20 PM
A pic of the glowies when the LCD was used in un-spit.
Click to view attachmentThis is with no reflector or pre-con. The top is more noticeable than the bottom. It’s bad enough to wash out the circles.
DAZZZLA
Dec 25 2007, 12:26 PM
An interesting link to an
online seminar about LCD design
DAZZZLA
Dec 25 2007, 12:34 PM
Heres a few pics of what I’ve been building. It’s all aluminum for strength, weight and size. I haven’t decided what I’m going to make the skin from just yet. Some of the possibilities: Cedar timber veneer with the aluminum exposed and painted black. Semi-gloss aluminum panels with corner aluminum gloss black. Fiberglass skin.
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachment
DAZZZLA
Dec 25 2007, 12:38 PM
DAZZZLA
Dec 25 2007, 12:40 PM
I brought a fan controller with temp and fan RPM monitoring. If the temp increases over as set temperature or the fan RPM falls below a set speed the alarm is sounded. I intend to tap into the alarm transistor and use it to trip a relay to turn the lamp off in the projector. But… when I went to set the RPM threshold, the controller’s minimum was only 1000 RPM. This isn’t much of a problem when used with most fans but I just so happened to buy an 800 RPM S-Flex fan GRRRR. I wasn’t going to let is get the best of me and go buy another fan. Someone must have had this problem before, especially the HTPC people who use slow fans, so I went searching on Google but nothing turned up. Still determined I designed a circuit myself. This is what I come up with:
Edit 100M should be 1M
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachmentIt’s a frequency doubler. It works by taking the square wave signal from the fan and integrating it with a simple RC circuit then a window comparator is used to create a square wave again with twice the frequency by setting the reference voltage of one half of the window comparator to turn on for the first 1/3 of the integrated wave and the second half of the window comparator turns on for the last 1/3.
Then the signal is buffered and past onto the controller.
A couple of waveforms:
Click to view attachmentThis one shows the square wave signal from the fan and the integrated wave form
Click to view attachmentAnd the fan signal and new *2 square wave.
DAZZZLA
Dec 25 2007, 12:42 PM
Here’s a temp mock up of the shape of the rear of the projector. It’s just cardboard scraps to give me an idea to where everything fits.
Click to view attachmentEdit:
The biggest hassle is/was fitting the 120mm fan into the box. I didn’t won't too much light leakage so there needs to be a baffle of some type fitted but the fan doesn’t work to well when there is something 30mm from the blades.
DAZZZLA
Dec 25 2007, 12:43 PM
I managed to get some time to cut and glue the case.
Click to view attachmentIt’s 3mm MDF glued together with Gel Superglue and reinforced with satin ribbon soaked with regular Superglue. It works very well, almost as strong as the MDF itself.
Click to view attachment(I’ve added fiberglass as well for even more strength)
DAZZZLA
Dec 25 2007, 12:45 PM
Five more sections added . At this rate it’ll be months away from finishing.
Click to view attachment
DAZZZLA
Dec 25 2007, 12:54 PM
DAZZZLA
Dec 25 2007, 12:55 PM
More to come when I get back from holidays in a couple of weeks:
DJ
Edit: one new pic from above showing some electronics and the servos
Click to view attachment
SIMUL8R
Dec 25 2007, 02:36 PM
QUOTE (DAZZZLA @ Dec 25 2007, 04:17 AM)

Here’s a recap of what has been discovered so far about the layers on the 10.6.
From the front:
The clear protective film is simply attached to the LCD with two pieces of tape.
The TAC, 1st polarizer and TAC can be dry peeled all together.
The A/G came off with a water soak. (Very risky).
From the back:
First silver film can be dry peeled in one piece leaving a sticky glue residue.
Second silver film can be dry peeled in horizontal strips. (Easier than trying to remove it in one piece)
The 3rd polarizer still may have some more layers (TAC?) and possibly the second as well but should be left attached.
Click to view attachmentDAZZ, yes the third polar does have TAC on top after removing the 2 silver films. I discovered it on mine when I tried removing last silver and scratched up the surface. I buffed it with Mother's Polish and some of the scratches disappeared but there was still some deep ones showing. Realizing that this was not the polarizer I proceeded to remove it using the water soak and it came up. Now this side is bare polar. I didn't want this to happen but I had a hard time removing the residue left behind after removing the last silver and I used Goo Gone. This some how became a messy and difficult procedure requiring me to use a plastic scraper that eventually scratched up the TAC. I would have preferred to leave it on to protect the polar, now, I'm afraid there's a chance of possible graining on this side

.....lesson learn.
BTW, very professional and intricate work your doing here with the build.
TESCORP
Dec 25 2007, 04:00 PM
WOW, excellent work. I like the way you are putting it together in sections, reminds me of the way pun15her does things. what color are you going to paint it?
elken2004
Dec 26 2007, 12:14 AM
excellent job dazzzza,, and yes I was tinking samo, about pun15her,s work too..
Durachko
Dec 26 2007, 07:07 PM
Hmmm . . . we haven't seen pun in quite some time . . .
elken! Sneak down to DAZZ's while he's away for the holidays and check to see if pun is in his basement with a bowl of water and some moldy bread!
Worse yet, he's snuffed pun and kidnapped his house elf!!!
jonjandran
Dec 26 2007, 11:38 PM
QUOTE (Durachko @ Dec 26 2007, 02:07 PM)

elken! Sneak down to DAZZ's while he's away for the holidays and check to see if pun is in his basement with a bowl of water and some moldy bread!

I can hear it now.
"It puts the lotion on it's skin."
Quasi_Mojo
Dec 27 2007, 12:06 AM
QUOTE (jonjandran @ Dec 26 2007, 06:38 PM)

"It puts the lotion on it's skin."

LOL!
I love it here!
"... or else it gets the hose again."
One of the greatest movie villians! I loved it when he lost his composure and shouted, "Put the f**king lotion in the basket!"
And what male can
honestly say that he's never tried the tuck-job in front of the mirror after watching that movie?
Oh!... and what about the scene in Clerks II when they parody the scene from "Silence of the Lambs".
Back on topic... Dazzzla, are you going to be rounding all those corners before painting or will you be leaving them sharp like that?
SupraGuy
Dec 27 2007, 12:51 AM
Looks cool! I like the case design.
matzner
Dec 27 2007, 05:18 AM
QUOTE (DAZZZLA @ Dec 25 2007, 06:40 AM)

I brought a fan controller with temp and fan RPM monitoring. If the temp increases over as set temperature or the fan RPM falls below a set speed the alarm is sounded. I intend to tap into the alarm transistor and use it to trip a relay to turn the lamp off in the projector. But… when I went to set the RPM threshold, the controller’s minimum was only 1000 RPM. This isn’t much of a problem when used with most fans but I just so happened to buy an 800 RPM S-Flex fan GRRRR. I wasn’t going to let is get the best of me and go buy another fan. Someone must have had this problem before, especially the HTPC people who use slow fans, so I went searching on Google but nothing turned up. Still determined I designed a circuit myself. This is what I come up with:
Edit 100M should be 1M
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachmentIt’s a frequency doubler. It works by taking the square wave signal from the fan and integrating it with a simple RC circuit then a window comparator is used to create a square wave again with twice the frequency by setting the reference voltage of one half of the window comparator to turn on for the first 1/3 of the integrated wave and the second half of the window comparator turns on for the last 1/3.
Then the signal is buffered and past onto the controller.
A couple of waveforms:
Click to view attachmentThis one shows the square wave signal from the fan and the integrated wave form
Click to view attachmentAnd the fan signal and new *2 square wave.
This is so funny, as you were describing the problem I was thinking: "Just integrate the signal and convert it back to a square wave" Great minds I guess. Are you an engineer or just enlightened?
BTW I like your case design. See my plog for gross overuse of aluminum channel. Makes aligning stuff easy, but do yourself a favor and don't count how many machine screws you used after you get done. Depressing...
DAZZZLA
Jan 8 2008, 02:00 PM
I wish I did have a house elf, I’ve been building this for nearly a year now So you’re getting the time lapsed version. I’ve still got alot of newer pics that I’ll eventually upload. It’s a real pain typing at the moment, my keyboard’s space bar has craped itself so everything I type I have to go back over and slame the space bar hard. I night just post them with hardly any text and wait for questions
TESCORP:
I’m not sure yet, I’m thinking maybe dark red/brown for the case and black for the frame. So it will tie in with my speakers. On the other hand I may just paint it black.
Open for suggestions?
Quosi mojo:
The corners have a small curve now, about 1.5mm radius. I liked the sharp look but not from all angles and sharp corners are difficult to paint so I opted to round them.
Matzner:
Of coarse I’m an engineer, A DIY engineer. No qualifications, I just like stuff. If the stuff becomes a carreer then it becomes non-enjoyable.
DAZZZLA
Jan 8 2008, 02:51 PM
DAZZZLA
Jan 8 2008, 02:55 PM
DAZZZLA
Jan 8 2008, 03:09 PM
All of the electronics and servos had to fit into a space no greater than 20mm high otherwise they would block the light path.
Click to view attachmentBlurry pic alert!!
Click to view attachment Looking from underneath at the temperature controller and LCD buttons
Click to view attachment the lamp assembly
Click to view attachment case bottom with overspray
Click to view attachmentfocus mechanism
Click to view attachment fresnel tilt limit switches
DAZZZLA
Jan 8 2008, 03:12 PM
Click to view attachment servo relay PCB
Click to view attachment temperature alarm with my controller PCB added
Click to view attachment ballast with its mounts
Click to view attachment I trimmed the OSD board and extended the wires
DJ
pcpro_guy
Jan 8 2008, 03:56 PM
very cool indeed I was thinking Star Wars the whole way .. You could put some X wings on it and when you hang it from the ceiling paint it white with red stripes... 2 conversation peices in one... Now thats a double wow factor... Yep and I love the movie.. JOE DIRT... )))((((JOE DIRTE'))) I liked the part where he found the missle and it turned out to be an old airline dump tank..... (( NOW THATS FUNNY RIGHT THERE !!!! " I DONT CARE WHO YOU ARE>>>>"""" GETR DUN!!!!! WHAT ABOUT LSU WHOOPIN UP ON OHIO STATE....... Nice design
BlindVision
Jan 8 2008, 10:12 PM
impressive build.
btw: with 2 fins and 2 vings added, it would look exactly like a F-117A (stealth fighter)
arizonavideo
Jan 9 2008, 08:08 AM
Are you TIG welding all joints on the top panel ?
DAZZZLA
Jan 9 2008, 09:57 AM
QUOTE (arizonavideo @ Jan 9 2008, 07:08 PM)

Are you TIG welding all joints on the top panel ?
All the aluminum is pop riveted. The 20mm square section of the main chassis took along time to make. I used a file to fit the joins then I inserted a small length inside the two and pop riveted them on the inside. Allot of the pop riveted joins I countersunk the heads to allow other pieces to fit snuggly.
DJ
SupraGuy
Jan 10 2008, 11:35 PM
Looks fantastic, Dazz. I like the servo controls. Nice touch.
greymalkin
Jan 21 2008, 07:36 PM
I was thinking stun runner.
"good luuuuck"
weldonjb
Jan 21 2008, 11:44 PM
Great build, Dazz! Hey, can you maybe show the frame and skin you have now next to something to get a feel for its size? Or do you have the length and height maybe? From pics, it looks just like a big ole pj, not a 10.6, but I know it should look smaller. Thanks!
DAZZZLA
Jan 22 2008, 01:49 PM
QUOTE (weldonjb @ Jan 22 2008, 10:44 AM)

Great build, Dazz! Hey, can you maybe show the frame and skin you have now next to something to get a feel for its size? Or do you have the length and height maybe? From pics, it looks just like a big ole pj, not a 10.6, but I know it should look smaller. Thanks!
290mm * 700mm * 260mm. These are to the extremities.
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachment
DAZZZLA
Jan 22 2008, 01:52 PM
While I’m here I may as well post a pic of the louvered light filter for the fan and heat shielding.
Quasi_Mojo
Jan 22 2008, 05:32 PM
Damn!!!
That pop can puts things in perspective!
I look forward to seeing this completed build.
samuraijack
Jan 22 2008, 06:42 PM
Dazz? Is that a half liter pop can?
ArhPos
Jan 22 2008, 08:12 PM
QUOTE (samuraijack @ Jan 22 2008, 06:42 PM)

Dazz? Is that a half liter pop can?
I'm not Dazz, but it seems to be. I got one half liter beer can next to my keyboard and it measures 16.8 cm in height.
Don't know if they differ in sizes, but the diameter looks the same as in Dr.Pepper can.
jeffek
Jan 22 2008, 08:27 PM
dazz build me a case like that pleassssseeee ..
Quasi_Mojo
Jan 23 2008, 12:17 AM
I'm pretty certain that is a standard 355mL pop can.
The 10.6 panel is less than 6 inches tall and if you look at the pictures of the LCD sled installed, it takes up the full height of the "box".
DAZZZLA
Jan 23 2008, 04:15 AM
QUOTE (samuraijack @ Jan 23 2008, 05:42 AM)

Dazz? Is that a half liter pop can?
Shhhh don’t blab that out.
Seriously though, it’s a standard 375ml can here in Oz.
SIMUL8R
Jan 23 2008, 04:25 AM
Really lov'n the design DAZZ

Are you planning on table or ceiling mounting this pup?
DAZZZLA
Jan 23 2008, 05:22 AM
Ceiling mount. The buttons are all on the bottom and the connectors are on the top, fresnel tilt is set this way as well, so I don’t have a choice now

. With the combination of LCD size and LCD tilt I should be able to get a good 15° angle down with very little distortion, that’s the plane anyway.
DJ
EDIT:
Oh, I’m gunna slip some of that DBEF in there as well to test it out with a diverging beam.
SIMUL8R
Jan 23 2008, 09:03 AM
QUOTE (DAZZZLA @ Jan 22 2008, 09:22 PM)

EDIT:
Oh, I’m gunna slip some of that DBEF in there as well to test it out with a diverging beam.
Ooooooh, I want to play too! Doing it before the LCD are we?
DAZZZLA
Jan 23 2008, 09:44 AM
Yep, just before the LCD. I’ve still got to order a ¼ wave retarder though.
SIMUL8R
Jan 23 2008, 10:03 AM
QUOTE (DAZZZLA @ Jan 23 2008, 01:44 AM)

Yep, just before the LCD. I’ve still got to order a ¼ wave retarder though.
BTW, I was in need of another polarizer (just in case I had to replace a ruined one on my 10.6) and I after examining the DBEF samples I had I was able to remove the reflective layer off revealing just polar. Removing the adhesive was the pain however. If this is of any use to you.
DAZZZLA
Jan 23 2008, 10:10 AM
Where you able to remove the reflective polar in one piece?
SIMUL8R
Jan 23 2008, 10:23 AM
QUOTE (DAZZZLA @ Jan 23 2008, 02:10 AM)

Where you able to remove the reflective polar in one piece?
Hmmm, can't recall. It was a small trial I believe. Why, is the reflective layer what your more interested in?
Cranky Cowboy
Jan 23 2008, 11:13 AM
WOW, very innovative design Dazz, I'm loving it! Of course this comes as no surprise considering all the various items that you have already brought to the table that we all use on a regular basis these days! Thanks! Great job so far...I plan to follow.
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