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Durachko
Contact WDL directly. They can get you what you want. They were incredibly nice to work with IMHO.

HF: Get working on the IR remote!!!! laugh.gif
pmiles
QUOTE (HitesFiero @ Jan 31 2008, 02:25 PM) *
I finished totally revamping the full RGB gamma scale tables last night, 768 Hex entries, whew! blink.gif

My math was correct, and I nailed it on the money! All gamma functions work perfectly now. biggrin.gif:lol: tongue.gif
Every feature on the controller now works 100%. The base gamma calibration can be used to properly drive just about all 3 channel 18 bit LVDS panels.


I'm praying all this will just be drop in with the new controller cards and you won't have to redo a lot of the work you've done thus far...three cheers for HitesFiero for all the hard work you've put in and I'm sure will continue to put toward this project.
HitesFiero
QUOTE (pmiles @ Jan 31 2008, 01:52 PM) *
I'm praying all this will just be drop in with the new controller cards and you won't have to redo a lot of the work you've done thus far...three cheers for HitesFiero for all the hard work you've put in and I'm sure will continue to put toward this project.


Yep, just flash it and plug it in.
pmiles
QUOTE (HitesFiero @ Jan 31 2008, 05:27 PM) *
Yep, just flash it and plug it in.


Is the stuff you're programming independent of the hardware implementation? (ie, the genesis chip change won't affect any aspect of the panel file you don't think?)

As soon as we get confirmation that the HDCP enabled controller card is available, I'll be placing my order; so I'll be more than happy to be a guinea pig if you have testing you want/need to have done by someone.
pmiles
Another thing on my mind: I can't find in the manual anything about geometry adjustment. I was hoping that I might be able to correct keystoning through geometric correction like what one would find on CRT monitors....I've not fiddled with the panel file generator program but is there anything in there that might allow for us to do geometric adjustments that you've come across thus far?
HitesFiero
QUOTE (pmiles @ Jan 31 2008, 09:41 PM) *
Another thing on my mind: I can't find in the manual anything about geometry adjustment. I was hoping that I might be able to correct keystoning through geometric correction like what one would find on CRT monitors....I've not fiddled with the panel file generator program but is there anything in there that might allow for us to do geometric adjustments that you've come across thus far?


Not that I've seen, and I've been through it all top to bottom.
pmiles
Hites, have you received a response back from your contact with Kontron? It's been over a week since I emailed them and I haven't gotten any reply back... sad.gif
HitesFiero
QUOTE (pmiles @ Feb 7 2008, 07:42 AM) *
Hites, have you received a response back from your contact with Kontron? It's been over a week since I emailed them and I haven't gotten any reply back... sad.gif


No I have not. rolleyes.gif
HitesFiero
I finally have a release version of the 15.4 WUXGA firmware ready for standard use. laugh.gif

I have included two files in a ZIP folder.

One is the full firmware HEX file with the panel data imbedded and the other is just the panel file by itself.

You will need to use the full version Kontron Editor tool, which is now publicly available for download, to flash the firmware.

I recommend flashing the full firmware hex as opposed to just the panel file as there are some key settings that you won’t get otherwise.

I don't have a way to host the ZIP at the moment, so untill then PM me with your email addresses.
Hirudin
QUOTE (HitesFiero @ Feb 19 2008, 01:01 PM) *
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I don't have a way to host the ZIP at the moment, so untill then PM me with your email addresses.

In case you haven't seen this forum feature...

Is the file larger than 110k? If not you can have LL host it, like a picture.
HitesFiero
QUOTE (Hirudin @ Feb 19 2008, 06:39 PM) *
In case you haven't seen this forum feature...

Is the file larger than 110k? If not you can have LL host it, like a picture.


It's well over
jonjandran
I can host it for you if you want.

PM me for my email address if you want to send it to me.
capoeta
was there ever a confimrmation if current controller is HDCP compliant?

furthermore. is there a posilbility that a BOM list be created for kontron required 'kit'? how 'bout est. $ per component


so now all of a sudden 3 choices for 1080p..... decision, decision..
pmiles
QUOTE (capoeta @ Feb 20 2008, 02:00 PM) *
was there ever a confimrmation if current controller is HDCP compliant?

furthermore. is there a posilbility that a BOM list be created for kontron required 'kit'? how 'bout est. $ per component


so now all of a sudden 3 choices for 1080p..... decision, decision..


I never heard anything back, neither has Hites...see the first post for the BOM...it's just the card and the OSD panel, both have prices and part numbers.
HitesFiero
Here’s the link for my 15.4 files

HF Kontron 15.4 WUXGA release version firmware

Thanks to Durachko for hosting it. biggrin.gif


HitesFiero
LVDS cable update.

There is nothing in the Kontron inventory that will come close to working for us. The only real option is solder your own with new or salvaged bits. If you now how to solder small contacts it’s easy if not you may have to join two JAE30 ended cables from junk monitors together. I’ve build four JAE30-JAE30 cables so far, and it takes me about an hour. Using the controllers 40 pin Molex type connection will work but it seems to pick up a little bit of interference.
HitesFiero
I just received a response from one of my contacts at Kontron, the HDCP board is available! laugh.gif

Make sure that you specify that you want a hardware version "F" board which has the HDCP function. wink.gif

The price and part # are the same.

Thanks for your help Volker.
Durachko
QUOTE (HitesFiero @ Feb 24 2008, 12:25 PM) *
Here's the link for my 15.4 files

HF Kontron 15.4 WUXGA release version firmware

Just tried to load the panel file to update my board but got a format error. Wondering if you verified the hosted files are okay? Could very well just be another stoopid mistake on my part. Has anyone else bought and flashed one of these or just me and HF???
HitesFiero
QUOTE (Durachko @ Mar 10 2008, 06:45 PM) *
Just tried to load the panel file to update my board but got a format error. Wondering if you verified the hosted files are okay? Could very well just be another stoopid mistake on my part. Has anyone else bought and flashed one of these or just me and HF???


Did you use the full version or the light version to flash?
Durachko
QUOTE (HitesFiero @ Mar 11 2008, 10:43 AM) *
Did you use the full version or the light version to flash?

I actually downloaded the latest version from the Kontron site and that version wouldn't read the file.

I'll give you better details later, thanks.
HitesFiero
QUOTE (Durachko @ Mar 11 2008, 03:32 PM) *
I actually downloaded the latest version from the Kontron site and that version wouldn't read the file.

I'll give you better details later, thanks.


Gotcha, I think your missing a step, I'll try to get some screen shots showing what steps to follow.
Durachko
QUOTE (HitesFiero @ Mar 11 2008, 06:03 PM) *
Gotcha, I think your missing a step, I'll try to get some screen shots showing what steps to follow.

Rest assured I require everything just short of inserting a nose ring and leading me through all the paces. biggrin.gif

Edit: I just reverted to the "other" workbench version I have and both the hex and pnl files read fine. I must've been doing something odd with that other version I downloaded. I have too many computers and too small a brain. laugh.gif Do I recall you saying that the larger file (hex) basically includes the panel file or something like that or must/should both be written to the controller board and does the sequence of writes matter at all?
HitesFiero
QUOTE (Durachko @ Mar 11 2008, 06:57 PM) *
Rest assured I require everything just short of inserting a nose ring and leading me through all the paces. biggrin.gif

Edit: I just reverted to the "other" workbench version I have and both the hex and pnl files read fine. I must've been doing something odd with that other version I downloaded. I have too many computers and too small a brain. laugh.gif Do I recall you saying that the larger file (hex) basically includes the panel file or something like that or must/should both be written to the controller board and does the sequence of writes matter at all?

If you flash the full hex file, it “should” flash the imbedded panel data as well. You can verify that the updated panel data is flashed to the controller by using the “Read Panel Data” function in the full workbench app. The panel name in the panel data header should read “HF154WUXGA_RELEASE_V1_3”.
HitesFiero
I've got the 14.1 WXGA+ firmware finished.



LG 14.1 Screen shots from Transformers in 720P, sorry for the quality, I had to use an old 4 mega pixel Kodak







SilentReaper
QUOTE (HitesFiero @ Mar 13 2008, 04:33 PM) *
I've got the 14.1 WUXGA+ firmware finished.

Screen shots from Transformers in 720P, sorry for the quality, I had to use an old 4 mega pixel Kodak


I am guessing that is just a misprint and you meant to say WXGA, though I think it would be awesome to have a 14.1 WUXGA.

Slightly off topic: I found a 8.9" wxga lcd panel on the digikey website that I thought would be awesome to get and send to you to have you try and make a Kontron work for it, that is until I saw that it was at something around 100ms and was $510.
HitesFiero
QUOTE (SilentReaper @ Mar 13 2008, 06:31 PM) *
I am guessing that is just a misprint and you meant to say WXGA, though I think it would be awesome to have a 14.1 WUXGA.

Corrected

Slightly off topic: I found a 8.9" wxga lcd panel on the digikey website that I thought would be awesome to get and send to you to have you try and make a Kontron work for it, that is until I saw that it was at something around 100ms and was $510.

Wow, that is pricy, but still interesting. dry.gif
insertname
I looked for pip or picture in picture - did I miss a referance as to wether or not kontron has this ability?
Durachko
QUOTE (insertname @ Mar 14 2008, 12:43 AM) *
I looked for pip or picture in picture - did I miss a referance as to wether or not kontron has this ability?

It has that capability. You can download the specs at kontron.com.
HitesFiero
I just got some parts in from DigiKey. I ordered some of the crimp style pins and some of their corresponding connector plugs. The book says you need a very pricy crimping tool to clamp them, but it looks to me like it can be done with a good pair of needle nose or even some light solder tinning.

While I’m on the subject, I feel I should mention this;
DO NOT USE THE 40 PIN CONNECTOR WITH AN 18 BIT PANEL! IT WILL SHOW ALOT OF INTERFERENCE!]

I just can’t seem to keep it from showing distortion, it took me 3 attempts and 3 fabbed cables to come to this conclusion. Use the flat 30 pin JAE30 interface instead.

Here are the DigiKey part #s for the JAE30 pieces
The part #s are linked to the pages.

670-1222-1-ND
JAE Crimp Pins; FI-XC3-1-15000
Make sure you order at least 60 of these, that way you will have extra incase you mess up.

670-1214-ND
JAE30 Connector Plug; FI-X30H
You need 2 of these, one on each end.

If you’re good at soldering you can use a solder tab type connector with locking levers, this is the same type of OEM connector used in laptop applications.
670-1212-ND The product photo on the page is not correct
xtrix
The locking levers are good if your screen does support them wink.gif

example (LG LP154W01):


forget about the levers

but (SAMSUNG LTN170WU):

exelent fit biggrin.gif
davegus91
I just noticed something... all of the links to the serial flashing app are now p/w protected or dead... Could someone point me in the right direction? or post a rapidshare?
Durachko
QUOTE (davegus91 @ Apr 30 2008, 08:35 PM) *
I just noticed something... all of the links to the serial flashing app are now p/w protected or dead... Could someone point me in the right direction? or post a rapidshare?

Major web page makeover.

Try here: http://us.kontron.com/support
HitesFiero
QUOTE (davegus91 @ Apr 30 2008, 07:35 PM) *
I just noticed something... all of the links to the serial flashing app are now p/w protected or dead... Could someone point me in the right direction? or post a rapidshare?



QUOTE (Durachko @ May 1 2008, 09:03 AM) *
Major web page makeover.

Try here: http://us.kontron.com/support



Wow, I need to fix that!
Durachko
QUOTE (HitesFiero @ May 5 2008, 12:26 PM) *
Wow, I need to fix that!

Yeah - you fix the Kontron website wouldja!? laugh.gif
HitesFiero
QUOTE (Durachko @ May 5 2008, 11:44 AM) *
Yeah - you fix the Kontron website wouldja!? laugh.gif


I think I'll just fix the links on this end. Done.
witte
First off, I want to thank Hites and the Lumenlab community for the development on this awesome controller board. Secondly, some updates on my quest to purchase one:

--The CRTtoLCD-7 Multimedia is at it's end of life and Kontron has stated that the last purchase date is 12/31/2008. Also, the rev. F version won't be shipping until, at the earliest, late September. Kontron recommends the CRTtoLCD-7 (21112) as it's substitute. Donnie at WDL systems also informed me that the rev. F version is immediately available and currently shipping. Kontron's web site lists this as the "NEW: Multimedia Flatpanel Controller..." which has "Adaptive Motion Deinterlacing powered by Faroudja." Presumable, (although unconfirmed,) it uses the aforementioned gm1601-H. The spec. sheet is the same for both the standard and multimedia versions.

Also, the price has come down:
--The CRTtoLCD-7 (21112) is now listed at WDL as $154.00
--Before it was removed from WDL's page, I believe the multimedia version was listed at $192

The new controller lists needing KAB-COM2, (p/n 60994) however, neither Donnie at WDL or his contact at Kontron can find it. The standard KAB-COM (61004) is stated to be fine.

Donnie (tech support) at WDL Systems has been extremely helpful and is highly recommended.

I'm also in the process of fabricating a cable and was wondering if the JAE connector on the controller board can accept a clip in connector such as Digikey p/n 670-1212-ND or if it can accept only a slip in connector such as 670-1213-ND.
HitesFiero
QUOTE (witte @ Aug 25 2008, 11:04 PM) *
First off, I want to thank Hites and the Lumenlab community for the development on this awesome controller board. Secondly, some updates on my quest to purchase one:

--The CRTtoLCD-7 Multimedia is at it's end of life and Kontron has stated that the last purchase date is 12/31/2008. Also, the rev. F version won't be shipping until, at the earliest, late September. Kontron recommends the CRTtoLCD-7 (21112) as it's substitute. Donnie at WDL systems also informed me that the rev. F version is immediately available and currently shipping. Kontron's web site lists this as the "NEW: Multimedia Flatpanel Controller..." which has "Adaptive Motion Deinterlacing powered by Faroudja." Presumable, (although unconfirmed,) it uses the aforementioned gm1601-H. The spec. sheet is the same for both the standard and multimedia versions.

Also, the price has come down:
--The CRTtoLCD-7 (21112) is now listed at WDL as $154.00
--Before it was removed from WDL's page, I believe the multimedia version was listed at $192

The new controller lists needing KAB-COM2, (p/n 60994) however, neither Donnie at WDL or his contact at Kontron can find it. The standard KAB-COM (61004) is stated to be fine.

Donnie (tech support) at WDL Systems has been extremely helpful and is highly recommended.

I'm also in the process of fabricating a cable and was wondering if the JAE connector on the controller board can accept a clip in connector such as Digikey p/n 670-1212-ND or if it can accept only a slip in connector such as 670-1213-ND.


It's the slip in.

The older style Mulit 7 is at EOL. The more current F type will be around for a while, I suspect the new Mult 7 replacement will the same basic board but with HDMI.
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