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Please post questions, answers, and comments regarding WUXGA panels and WinMate controllers in this thread.

Is there any hope of ever getting an HDCP signal into either the WUXGA or 1280x800 15.4" panels?

It's probably not going to happen. There is a $15,000 yearly fee for incorporating HDCP in a device plus the initial fee per device. And there just aren't enough 15.4" Wuxga controllers or screens sold to justify a company spending that kind of money.

Are there not hacks/cracks for this stuff? Time to do some research...

I'm not opposed to using a 17" WS LCD HDTV with HDCP, but a 15.4" with higher resolution AND a longer throw would be nice.

There are hacks/cracks for individual devices such as upconverting DVD players. I had a Samsung 1080i upconverting Dvd player that had a HDCP disable hack. But I doubt very much that you will find hacks/cracks for HD-DVD and Bluray devices for a LONG time.

Jonjandran, found this site: http://www.beyondinfinite.com/company.html

With your infinate wisdom on WUXGA's perhaps you can find out more if they might be of some help to us. I had sent them an email on some simple questions such as capatibility and cost but maybe you can give it a good look over and shoot them a 'holler' which would be even better. Their product #BI5221V3.1 looks kinda interesting under their 'AD Controller Board'.

BTW, outstanding job on your reference WUXGA thread.

sim

QUOTE(daskobold @ Nov 7 2006, 08:20 AM)

Yes that is the board I was talking about.

So I hooked the Sharp WUXGA screen to the G2A controller for some testing last night for the first time and at both the 1900x1080 and 1900x1200 resolutions I was getting srambled text on the desktop and menus. The rest of the picture was nice and sharp. At 1680x1050 everything was fine though.

Did you have this problem with your screen? Or is there a setting that I need to change. I know the video card can handle those resolutions because I usually have it hooked to a 24" widescreen LCD at 1900x1200.

If these questions are in the wrong post let me know. I don't want to eat into your PLOG. Thanks.


JonJandran

"Well several people have had that problem with Nvidi graphic cards, but ATI cards work fine. There is a solution but it involves using Powerstrip."

I am using an X1800 but still having the problem.

I just want to make sure that it is not a problem with the controller board or the LCD panel.

Other thing is I tried taking screenshots of the distorted text but when bumped the resolution back to 1680x1050 and went into Paint to paste the screenshot, the captured image looked fine.

It must be a driver problem or the video settings problem.

Other people have had this problem and fixed it.

A little help anyone ?

I have found the problem. It is probably a bad DVI port on the controller. I can do 1920x1200 with no problem on the VGA port. I also tried the panel and controller on another PC and with two different DVI cables. I know the DVI cables are good. The only common problem is the DVI port at high resolutions. I will probably have to return it for an exchange. I purchased it from Dobie in California, very helpful guy by the way.

Guess this gives me more time to work on my enclosure now.

And I really wanted this to be done (or at least working) by the time the Wii comes out and I get distracted.

Well another member had this problem also, I hope it's not a bad sign for the G2a controler from Dobie.

http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=167998

I am getting ready to purchase either a G2A210 or G2A130, from reading this thread the G2A210 dose not support the sharp 02 model.

Allso how important is componet inputs? will the G2A130 fullfill all of my need. I plan on using both regular upconverting DVD player and computer up to 1080p.

Mystic

It is my belief that the G2A130 and G2A210 both support all Wuxga Lcds. They have worked with Sharp, Samsung and LG/Phillips. And the Sharp 02 and 12are the same panel. The last 2 figures in the model# are just used to identify ho they were used (As Dell panels/Compaq panels, etc)

Component input is necessary if the DVD player does't have DVI or HDMI.

But those who have the G2A130 says it does input component with a VGA-to-Component adapter.

Yeah, me to. My controller should be here in a couple of days and my sharp panel in a week and a half. I had a dream the other night that my panel showed up all scratched, pitted and botched. Bad dream!

I'll let everyone know my experience once it all arrives.

Has anyone noted a solid reason to get the G2A210?

Dobie's response to my inquiry in the difference only netted this:

"G2A210 is superior in picture quality processing compared to G2A130."

That and the component input, which seems a moot point after noting the Component-VGA cable solution. I noted a 5 watt audio interface, but that is unnecessary for my purposes.


Anyone know more about it?

Wish I knew that before i bought the 130. Hmm.

The cost, availability, and flexibility with panels were the other limitations...

more from Dobie, I asked about LQ..02 compatibility:

"I don’t have G2A210 in stock yet and is not available for LQ154M1LW02 until Dec.
I only have G2A130 available now that will work for LQ154M1LW02.

G2A130 is $345 with shipping to 48 states U.S.
G2A210 is $412 with shipping to 48 states U.S."

Is it worth $67 more and another month and a half (if you want felixibilty in the panel bought)?

I agree with Arizona that the W02 and W12's are the same panels.

As far as the 210 vs 130... I have the 130 from one of Minoten's group buys. It supports SOG (sync on green) through the VGA port for both 720p and 1080i, but one thing i've noticed is that the picture is very dim when doing this. I'm not sure of the reason why. Jonjandran tried to help me as he indicated he also had this problem, but he was able to fix it, although the specifics on exactly how it was fixed is still kind of a mystery. (his panel was unplugged for a while, and when hooked back up, everything was working fine...) My thinking is that component inputs would likely be a better way to go, to get away from the SOG, which always seems to have "issues". Of course this is speculation on my part, but knowing what I know now, i'd wait and go for the 210 model. JMHO.

Good luck.
gs

Considering no one here at LL has any experience with the A210 controller that question cannot be answered.
Perhaps you can strike a deal with Dobie; ask to be a beta-tester of the new controller and compare it with
the A130. After all, he is getting a bit of free advertising here at LL.

Thanks for the responses, I will wait and go for the G2A210.

I have waited for HD since the late 70's, I can wait a little longer.

Mystic

It happened again to me.

I unplugged the G2A power adapter from the wall wart for 30 seconds. Unplugged eveything but the Vga connector to the Xbox 360. Plugged the G2A bak into the wall wart and it came on with the proper brightness.

But 1080p through the Xbox 360 Vga doesn't look right. It's all washed out like the contrast is way to high , but it isn't. Played wih settings for an hour and couldn't get it right.

Both controllers use the Component-to-vga adapter to get component into the controller.

Also I don't believe this statement is true "G2A210 is superior in picture quality processing compared to G2A130.".

They both use the SAME processors. And according to these description pages the ONLY difference is the bigger Audio amp and the component in.

http://www.winmate.com.tw/ipc/2adboard.htm
http://www.winmate.com.tw/ipc/2adboard.htm

It mentions the exact same processing and video capabilities.

Are you sure about this ? On the 130 controller there is a header on the circuit board for component input, I just assumed it to be disabled, hence component is only supported as SOG. With the 210 controller component is listed as a viable input, I would expect this header to be used and a kit to be supplied with RGB RCA style input connectors. I would also expect component to be listed in the OSD menu, as is currently done for VGA/DVI/S-video/composite ... ? Perhaps it's worth asking Dobie for clarification here ? ... perhaps you alread did and that is where you got your information ?

thanks jon.

gs

I asked Dobie about the component input plug on the G2A130

To Dobie:

The G2A210 has a seperate component card.

http://wftp.winmate.com.tw/winmate/pdf/G2A210.pdf

The PDF for the G2A130 which is what I have, has a component video connector. Is there a seperate cable available that will allow me to plug in a component device to this port?

http://wftp.winmate.com.tw/winmate/pdf/G2A130.pdf

Thanks


and here is his response:

G2A130 has no separate cable for component input. That is why we develop G2A210.

Well when I got a quote for the G2a210 there wasn't anything included for component. Only the exact same parts that come with the G2A130.

But I will fire off an email to Dobie anyway to verify.

I stand corrected.

It does have a seperate input above the DVI input for component. I wonder why Winmate doesn't list the component wire as being included with the G2A210 kit?

Took a while for me to get into this thread, been really busy. Unfortunatly, I can't help with your problem as mine isn't related. I had problems displaying in 1920x1080 and 1920x1200 because I was using an nvidia card. That problem was solved when I played with the timings. Dobie refered me to:

http://us.download.nvidia.com/Windows/91.4..._User_Guide.pdf

and refer to page 145 to 150 about advance timing setting.
About 1920x1200 & 1920x1080 issue, it need set to Coordinated Video
Timings-Reduced Blanking (CVT-RB) mode.

The other problem I got is a strange artifact issue when displaying whites (it would show green pixels next to the white ones). That problem happened even when unplugged ( visible on the OSD menu). To fix that, I had to send back the controller to dobie for a replacement.

On atotally unrelated note.

Does anyone else with Minotens G2a130 notice it has different connectors than the G2a130 shown by Winmate here : http://wftp.winmate.com.tw/winmate/pdf/G2A130.pdf

The connector behind the s-video is a bit different, and there are no audio inputs, but basically it's the same... any reason for asking ?

Well mine dosn't have the audio inputs, but it has the CN8 connector on the right side that is missing in the pdf of the G2a130.

Just wondering why there are differences ? Doesn't really matter though.

I also have the CN8, and also I don't have the JP1... I also have a J8 along the top that's not even shown on the pdf...

I noticed today that the controller minoten has in his setup guide is the GA110... I have a GA130 from his 3rd group buy...

I think he switched from the 110 to the 310 because of the 480p problem in the first group buy.

If the 310 has a 2 watt audio amp why don't ours have the audio inputs?

Things that make you go, Hmmmmmm

Wow! The floodgates open...

Thanks for all the response. Working now, can't review too much, but all the information is much appreciated.

I'll post my results and opinions once I get everything together..

Here is something interesing, in relation to 210 pricing. It seems if we send them a panel that "isnt compatable" you get a discount

Quoted from Dobie




Second interesting note is that I have a samsung WUXGA that works (720p, 1080i with xbox... and computer... so far) with the 130.

Is this one of Minoten's 310 or one from Dobie ?

A question off the controller subject for a minute.

Jonjandran, you said that you cut the pro fresnels down. You did this equally on both fresnels correct?

This is the G2A 130 (dont think there is a 310?) from Dobie, I just got it a few weeks ago. And the panel is a samsung, dont have the exact numbers, ill get those some other time.

For the xbox I use a vdigi, to get from component to VGA, computer is thru VGA also. i have not used the DVI port on the controller board yet.

Thanks , yea I meant the 130.

Yea , I cut the fresnel down a few inches . Just cut the same amount off each side and then the same amount off the top/bottom. The center of the fresnel has to remain the center.

So if you need it to be 4" less wide, cut off 2" on each side. And if you need it to be 3" less tall, cut off 1 1/2" off the top and bottom.

I have to RMA my board. There is a problem with the bios.

Dobie:
"My engineer’s response is that we have to refresh both BIOS & EDID value for that board:"

Hi

I have managed to source a new Sharp WUXGA panel and am now looking at controller options.

It seems that I will end up paying a premium on the Winmate G2A130 controller here in the UK, so I am exploring other controllers, some of which seem to offer better performance/ features, or at least are more recently launched on the market.

One of the controllers I am considering is the SVH 1920 from Digital View. details on this controller are here:

http://www.digitalview.com/controllers/products.php

There is a Controller Solution Generator tool that lists all of the panels that work with the Digital View products and thay list a number of Sharp WUXGAs, although not the 15.4".

I have talked to a local Digital view dealer who has stock of the SVH1920 and the tech guy said they have used this controller with the 17" WUXGA panels and 15.4" Toshiba WUXGA panels and would be happy to try my panel first to make sure it works OK - they have said that they will be very cautious when looking to do this in order to minimise the chances of damaging my panel.

Is it a case of the panel either working or not, or will I need to try some specific images ect. before putting my money down. I really dont want to end up with something that does not exploit all of the potential from the WUXGA panel!

I would like to know if this controller has more potential than the Winmate option, I can see that I will be getting component inputs like the G2A210, but cannot see any other benefits.

HELP!

It looks real nice. It has a scaler like the G2A's which is real nice. And te componentinputs are a plus.

I've fired off a few emails to check into it also.

Thanks for the heads-up.

Update on the above

I left my Sharp panel with the local dealer to test out the SVH 1920 controller and I have just heard back that everything works fine up to WUXGA.

I am v pleased with this result, although the controller is pricey at £250.00 it is a little bit cheaper than the equivalent G2A210.

I am getting into this. I have just ordered the pro lens kit and an Evo which is for a project in a School using interactive whiteboards where the long bulb life is very attractive.

any thoughts on that SVH controller before I put my money down?

here is alink to the details:

http://www.digitalview.com/controllers/products.php

Brad

First it was $275, I thought it was expensive. Now it's $412... What's going on ?

Has anyone looked at Kontron ?
http://us.kontron.com/index.php?id=82&cat=640

I think the Kontron controller has HDCP built in:

http://us.kontron.com/downloads/datasheet/CRTtoLCD_7.pdf

Im gonna call them today
if it has HDCP like it sez I may change my mind about the G2a130

I'll post back if when I find out

I've contacted Digitalview here in the USA.

The controller is $475 . Thn you would have to buy all the accessories. You would need the power adapter, OSD board, and Lcd wire.

It will probably be over $600 for it all.

WAYYYYY to much.

If it has HDCP its not

No the Digital View SVH-1920 does not have HDCP.

I thought someone from another thread says that it cost $250, but then we have to find out if they can program for us . It's very possible that there is a software used to program the BIOS, but we have to have the correct data for the LCD. Please find out as much as you can for us . Thanks. If it's made in Germany, it might be a better board. :-)

sez it does



never got a chance to get in touch with them today. (I actually worked today instead of fooling around all day like usual)

I willl get on it on Friday