johnzo1995
Jul 15 2007, 09:44 PM
The controller will work w/ all 15.4 wuxga panels.
I have the controller for sale now. Price is $195. Comes with LVDS cable, remote, and all the rest of the cables.
NinHowFritz
Jul 16 2007, 02:42 AM
Will the Realtek controller also work with all the 15.4" panels? I assume it will since they must all use the same interface.
Camman
Jul 16 2007, 03:17 AM
So how much for the hdcp controller and teh best contrast/color 15.4?
TGig
Jul 16 2007, 03:49 AM
QUOTE (Camman @ Jul 15 2007, 09:17 PM)

So how much for the hdcp controller and teh best contrast/color 15.4?
It was 440 with shipping for me.
Camman
Jul 16 2007, 09:49 AM
QUOTE (TGig @ Jul 15 2007, 08:49 PM)

It was 440 with shipping for me.
Thanks alot! Good news hdcp and 1080p
harvey
Jul 16 2007, 01:31 PM
QUOTE (Camman @ Jul 16 2007, 02:49 AM)

Thanks alot! Good news hdcp and 1080p
You could buy the controller, then get a panel on Ebay. I think 15.4 on Ebay are cheap.
Anyway, which panel was included in the $440+ shipping deal ?
TGig
Jul 16 2007, 04:02 PM
QUOTE (harvey @ Jul 16 2007, 07:31 AM)

You could buy the controller, then get a panel on Ebay. I think 15.4 on Ebay are cheap.
Anyway, which panel was included in the $440+ shipping deal ?
I'm not exactly sure, but I believe it is the same panel as
this one but with the new controller.
mac_angel
Jul 16 2007, 04:32 PM
Does anyone know the status of the Kontron boards?
ats314
Jul 17 2007, 02:02 AM
QUOTE (johnzo1995 @ Jul 15 2007, 09:44 PM)

The controller will work w/ all 15.4 wuxga panels.
I have the controller for sale now. Price is $195. Comes with LVDS cable, remote, and all the rest of the cables.
Are you selling the controller with the LCD like the other 15.4 kits?
AppleCello
Jul 17 2007, 03:18 AM
His store was just updated with the MST / lcd combos. I dont see the controller or the lcd as individual items though.
Edit: Looks like thats been changed now!
johnzo1995
Jul 17 2007, 03:36 AM
You guys need lcd by themselves?
AppleCello
Jul 17 2007, 03:38 AM
QUOTE (johnzo1995 @ Jul 16 2007, 10:36 PM)

You guys need lcd by themselves?
Options are never bad! Actually, it might be useful to list in case people need replacements of one part only.
johnzo1995
Jul 17 2007, 03:40 AM
Ok, well Im making a new store w/ oscommerse. Just trying to find some help with it.
ats314
Jul 17 2007, 04:01 AM
oh boy.... just when i was certain I was going with a 10.6.
fmerrill
Jul 17 2007, 05:20 AM
QUOTE (johnzo1995 @ Jul 16 2007, 11:40 PM)

Ok, well Im making a new store w/ oscommerse. Just trying to find some help with it.
OSC can be a bear. I haven't used it in several years now (used to run 3 stores with it), but the best help at that time was the osCommerce community forums.
Good Luck!
mac_angel
Jul 17 2007, 06:44 AM
does this mean that everyone is giving up on Kontron?
johno84
Jul 17 2007, 09:47 AM
QUOTE (jonjandran @ Jul 15 2007, 01:58 AM)

This really is a VERY NICE controller. It scales very well, I'd say just as good as the G2A controllers. No it does not have 1:1 scaling, but it does have zoom features that work nicely.
I need a controller that does 1080p, 1:1 scaling and has HDMI. It sounds like that's not going to be possible with this one. What are the zoom features like? Care to go into more detail? Thanks.
jonjandran
Jul 17 2007, 11:53 AM
QUOTE (johno84 @ Jul 17 2007, 05:47 AM)

I need a controller that does 1080p, 1:1 scaling and has HDMI. It sounds like that's not going to be possible with this one. What are the zoom features like? Care to go into more detail? Thanks.
It has Zoom1 and Zoom2. Zoom 1 makes widescreen movies fill the entire screen. Zoom 2 zooms i even further.
The G2A has 1:1, it has Dvi which is the same as Hdmi without sound and does 1080p.
semose
Jul 17 2007, 04:33 PM
QUOTE (jonjandran @ Jul 17 2007, 11:53 AM)

It has Zoom1 and Zoom2. Zoom 1 makes widescreen movies fill the entire screen. Zoom 2 zooms i even further.
The G2A has 1:1, it has Dvi which is the same as Hdmi without sound and does 1080p.
...but doesn't have hdcp, correct?
TGig
Jul 17 2007, 04:52 PM
QUOTE (semose @ Jul 17 2007, 10:33 AM)

...but doesn't have hdcp, correct?
It doesn't. I was researching which controller to buy during the last month and asked them that question directly.
ats314
Jul 17 2007, 04:54 PM
so how big a deal is 1:1. If I am not a videophile, will I really notice a huge difference on the new controllers? I've heard they stretch quite nicely.
NinHowFritz
Jul 17 2007, 05:06 PM
Zooming would be OK, especially since the screen res is so high, however distorting the aspect ratio would bother me.
mac_angel
Jul 17 2007, 07:52 PM
QUOTE (ats314 @ Jul 17 2007, 12:54 PM)

so how big a deal is 1:1. If I am not a videophile, will I really notice a huge difference on the new controllers? I've heard they stretch quite nicely.
if you are only using a 16x9 signal (HDTV) then you won't notice the stretch very much. You're only going from 16x9 to 16x10. But if you have other signals going into it, such as 4:3 signals (older TV without a HDTV box, computer resolutions like 1600x1200, PS2, etc) then it will be stretched vertically a great deal and it will look really bad.
Right now the only option is the G2A controller for 1:1 and if you need HDCP then adding the HDfury adapter. Looks like that might be what I'll be going with myself since there doesn't seem to be any more news on the Kontron boards
marcogt
Jul 17 2007, 10:17 PM
Don.t you remember, there's still hitesfiero that is working on a kontron! Let's hope in good news!
HitesFiero
Jul 18 2007, 05:23 AM
QUOTE (marcogt @ Jul 17 2007, 05:17 PM)

Don.t you remember, there's still hitesfiero that is working on a kontron! Let's hope in good news!
I知 still plugging away at it, I had it fired up and running 2 days ago, but I had a flicker problem on the sides at full res, I知 currently tweaking the timing to correct it. It IS NOT as simple as imputing the values on the data sheet and away you go. I have had to do a lot of math and conversion calculations based on the base values on the data sheet. Another problem is that the data sheets give values in clock time and microseconds, the programming software wants values in pixels and lines, this can lead to a large margin of error in the conversions if you are off by a few microseconds/pixels in your formulas. I値l have some good results very soon guys. Oh, on a really cool side note, you can load your own BMP image into the boards firmware to use as a startup splash screen! The versatility of this board is just amazing, and it does support 1:1 scaling without a problem.
mac_angel
Jul 18 2007, 06:07 AM
awesome work HF, we're all looking forward to it. Quick question. What panel/panels are you programming into the board?
johno84
Jul 18 2007, 09:21 AM
QUOTE (jonjandran @ Jul 17 2007, 12:53 PM)

It has Zoom1 and Zoom2. Zoom 1 makes widescreen movies fill the entire screen. Zoom 2 zooms i even further.
The G2A has 1:1, it has Dvi which is the same as Hdmi without sound and does 1080p.
Sounds like the G2A is a good bet then. HDCP is not something I need and to be honest I can't see why people are so bothered about since they haven't raised the flags on the discs and don't seem to be anytime soon. Guess it's just a precaution.
How much for the G2A + 15" johnzo? Thanks.
GadgetSmith
Jul 18 2007, 11:00 AM
QUOTE (johno84 @ Jul 18 2007, 05:21 AM)

Sounds like the G2A is a good bet then. HDCP is not something I need and to be honest I can't see why people are so bothered about since they haven't raised the flags on the discs and don't seem to be anytime soon. Guess it's just a precaution.
How much for the G2A + 15" johnzo? Thanks.
Although HDCP flags are not raised on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray (yet), there apparently is HDCP protected content on some cable and/or SAT boxes. Of course you can always use component outputs instead of DVI/HDMI to get the HD... or the HDFury.
G2A comes from a guy in CA. Look here. (
http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?s...c=15376&hl= )
I can't speak for everyone, but 1080p does not work for me on component with the G2A130 controller, nor does it work properly on DVI/HDMI using my Helios 4000 upconverting DVD player. I don't think there is an option on the Helios to get 1080p on VGA. (might need a firmware upgrade/change). 1080p works using my xbox360 over a VGA connection, but does not work on component. I'm perplexed as some members like jonjandran got 1080p to work on their G2A controllers, so I may have a problem with my controller ?? ... I just don't know.
Honestly, the new Johnzo controller looks great featurewise, it's just too bad about the lack of 1:1. Johnzo, is their any way to talk w/ Carpow about getting this controller programmed to include more options for scaling to include the 1:1 ? I can contact him myself, but seems you are in contact with him on an ongoing basis... let me know. Maybe a "group buy" if it's going to cost $$ to get it done ? [thinking out loud]
gs
marcogt
Jul 18 2007, 11:05 AM
thanks hitesfiero, i'm sure you're doing a wonderful work!!!
i hope you are enjoing it!!!
jonjandran
Jul 18 2007, 11:47 AM
QUOTE (GadgetSmith @ Jul 18 2007, 07:00 AM)

I can't speak for everyone, but 1080p does not work for me on component with the G2A130 controller, nor does it work properly on DVI/HDMI using my Helios 4000 upconverting DVD player. I don't think there is an option on the Helios to get 1080p on VGA. (might need a firmware upgrade/change). 1080p works using my xbox360 over a VGA connection, but does not work on component. I'm perplexed as some members like jonjandran got 1080p to work on their G2A controllers, so I may have a problem with my controller ?? ... I just don't know.
gs
No 1080p stopped working over component on the Xbox 360 with their first fall update and never started working again.
But I could always get 1080p to work over component with my Helios upconverting Dvd player through component and Hdmi.
ats314
Jul 18 2007, 12:32 PM
it really is quite remarkable tracing the progression of these projects from a few years back. I know this is completely off topic, just wanted to say keep up the good work.
ats314
Jul 18 2007, 12:35 PM
QUOTE (HitesFiero @ Jul 18 2007, 05:23 AM)

I知 still plugging away at it, I had it fired up and running 2 days ago, but I had a flicker problem on the sides at full res, I知 currently tweaking the timing to correct it. It IS NOT as simple as imputing the values on the data sheet and away you go. I have had to do a lot of math and conversion calculations based on the base values on the data sheet. Another problem is that the data sheets give values in clock time and microseconds, the programming software wants values in pixels and lines, this can lead to a large margin of error in the conversions if you are off by a few microseconds/pixels in your formulas. I値l have some good results very soon guys. Oh, on a really cool side note, you can load your own BMP image into the boards firmware to use as a startup splash screen! The versatility of this board is just amazing, and it does support 1:1 scaling without a problem.
which kontron board are you working on?
Durachko
Jul 18 2007, 01:14 PM
QUOTE (GadgetSmith @ Jul 18 2007, 07:00 AM)

Maybe a "group buy" if it's going to cost $$ to get it done ? [thinking out loud] gs
Well, you were thinking loud enough for me to hear you.

I'm waiting to pounce on a controller once enough bugs are worked out. 1:1 scaling is a must for me and I suspect there may be others biding their time as well?
HitesFiero
Jul 18 2007, 03:23 PM
QUOTE (mac_angel @ Jul 18 2007, 01:07 AM)

awesome work HF, we're all looking forward to it. Quick question. What panel/panels are you programming into the board?
The Sharp LQ154M1LW02.
QUOTE (ats314 @ Jul 18 2007, 07:35 AM)

which kontron board are you working on?
The CRTtoLCD Multimedia 7
semose
Jul 18 2007, 04:04 PM
QUOTE (Durachko @ Jul 18 2007, 01:14 PM)

Well, you were thinking loud enough for me to hear you.

I'm waiting to pounce on a controller once enough bugs are worked out. 1:1 scaling is a must for me and I suspect there may be others biding their time as well?
yup, I'm waiting on the 1:1 as well. After dealing with my dad's crazy 1366x768 60" TV, I'd never go without it. When I hook a computer up to it, the best I can do is 1200x668 stretched to the edges. but this is a crazy rez that not all games support, especially older ones. An example would be warcraft III. 1200x668 confuses it so much it doesn't let me use any rez above 800x600!
As has been said before, if you plan on using this controller for pc games, especially older games, or if you know you'll be using a 4:3 source at some point, 1:1 is worth looking into.
marcogt
Jul 18 2007, 04:29 PM
QUOTE
QUOTE(mac_angel @ Jul 18 2007, 01:07 AM) *
awesome work HF, we're all looking forward to it. Quick question. What panel/panels are you programming into the board?
The Sharp LQ154M1LW02.
hitesfiero, i did a great job then, finding the SHARP datasheet!!! unless it now would you be working on a toshiba datasheet??
ats314
Jul 18 2007, 05:05 PM
Is it only a matter of time before the Kontron will work with 1:1 and hdcp, or is it still questionable whether it will ever work at all?
mac_angel
Jul 18 2007, 05:44 PM
QUOTE (johno84 @ Jul 18 2007, 05:21 AM)

Sounds like the G2A is a good bet then. HDCP is not something I need and to be honest I can't see why people are so bothered about since they haven't raised the flags on the discs and don't seem to be anytime soon. Guess it's just a precaution.
How much for the G2A + 15" johnzo? Thanks.
Actually there are BlueRay movies that do require a HDCP compliant display. I bought Pirates of the Carribean 1 and 2 on BlueRay and tried to play them on my Dell 2405FPW monitor and I got the error message that it doesn't support HDCP. I'm getting the 2707FPW today and that's one of the first things I'm going to be checking on.
Update: Dell is dumb. They shipped the monitor to the wrong city.
mac_angel
Jul 18 2007, 05:52 PM
QUOTE (ats314 @ Jul 18 2007, 01:05 PM)

Is it only a matter of time before the Kontron will work with 1:1 and hdcp, or is it still questionable whether it will ever work at all?
from what I understand the Kontron board works with 1:1 and HDCP already. It's just a matter of programming the board to work directly with the LCD panels themselves. Each panal has certain programming for timings, resolutions and whatnot and the Kontron controller isn't programmed with anything like that when they are sold. That is why HF has one and has been working on the programming.
QUOTE
I知 still plugging away at it, I had it fired up and running 2 days ago, but I had a flicker problem on the sides at full res, I知 currently tweaking the timing to correct it. It IS NOT as simple as imputing the values on the data sheet and away you go. I have had to do a lot of math and conversion calculations based on the base values on the data sheet. Another problem is that the data sheets give values in clock time and microseconds, the programming software wants values in pixels and lines, this can lead to a large margin of error in the conversions if you are off by a few microseconds/pixels in your formulas. I値l have some good results very soon guys. Oh, on a really cool side note, you can load your own BMP image into the boards firmware to use as a startup splash screen! The versatility of this board is just amazing, and it does support 1:1 scaling without a problem.
HitesFiero
Jul 18 2007, 09:46 PM
QUOTE (marcogt @ Jul 18 2007, 11:29 AM)

hitesfiero, i did a great job then, finding the SHARP datasheet!!! unless it now would you be working on a toshiba datasheet??
Yes you did! I've been using data from both and double checking my finding against both.
ats314
Jul 18 2007, 09:55 PM
QUOTE (mac_angel @ Jul 18 2007, 05:52 PM)

from what I understand the Kontron board works with 1:1 and HDCP already. It's just a matter of programming the board to work directly with the LCD panels themselves. Each panal has certain programming for timings, resolutions and whatnot and the Kontron controller isn't programmed with anything like that when they are sold. That is why HF has one and has been working on the programming.
That's what I meant. I guess I am just asking how the progression is going, are we optimistic that this will work anytime soon? I'd be willing to wait for it, but not for 6 months. I don't mean to seem impatient

, you guys are doing great. Just curious.
sarunoatama
Jul 18 2007, 10:34 PM
HitesFiero, please check your private messages when you get a chance. Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into this!
johno84
Jul 19 2007, 07:58 AM
QUOTE (mac_angel @ Jul 18 2007, 06:44 PM)

Actually there are BlueRay movies that do require a HDCP compliant display. I bought Pirates of the Carribean 1 and 2 on BlueRay and tried to play them on my Dell 2405FPW monitor and I got the error message that it doesn't support HDCP.
Dammit that's not what I wanted to hear. If you are 100% sure that the flag is enabled on those movies then I will have to wait for an HDCP controller.
mac_angel
Jul 19 2007, 03:54 PM
QUOTE (johno84 @ Jul 19 2007, 03:58 AM)

Dammit that's not what I wanted to hear. If you are 100% sure that the flag is enabled on those movies then I will have to wait for an HDCP controller.
Yup, absolutely positive. I had 2 of the dell 2405FPW monitors and tried it on both. I tried everything I could think of to get it to work on them. I knew that they had DVI-D but did not support HDCP but I was still pissed that I couldn't watch the movies still. The 2407 and the 2707 both support HDCP. I was suppose to have the 2707 already but Dell delivered it to the wrong city. Dumbasses
jonjandran
Jul 19 2007, 04:04 PM
QUOTE (johno84 @ Jul 19 2007, 03:58 AM)

Dammit that's not what I wanted to hear. If you are 100% sure that the flag is enabled on those movies then I will have to wait for an HDCP controller.
Also the PS3 won't upconvert Dvds over Hdmi without Hdcp.
RedHerringHack
Jul 19 2007, 05:28 PM
I have backups of DVDs that the PS3 won't play at all. Every one of my other players play the DVDs, including the Xbox360 and upconverting DVD players. Sony bites.
I have twin 3 year olds, no way I am going to let them loose with the originals.
FantaWorldUK
Jul 19 2007, 06:44 PM
Hi I was having a problem with a WUXGA panel and a RealTek controller that I now realise would probably have been better as a reply in this thread..
http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?s...c=21730&hl=I hope someone can help with this - sorry if referencing another post like this is against the rules or anything...
ats314
Jul 20 2007, 10:33 PM
seeing as how there is currently no controller that does hdcp and 1:1 scaling, is it possible to scale properly through something else, like on a pc, using the new 15.4 mst kit?
johnzo1995
Jul 21 2007, 12:22 AM
QUOTE
seeing as how there is currently no controller that does hdcp and 1:1 scaling, is it possible to scale properly through something else, like on a pc, using the new 15.4 mst kit?
Yes, a computer can scale 1:1.
ats314
Jul 21 2007, 12:32 AM
can you direct me where to learn how to do that?
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