Well all I have done so far is solder together my LVDS cable. For some reason Kontron decieded not to include a NULL serial cable even though they new I would be doing my own programing! No big deal, easy to fab, that is untill i relized that the Kontron board will on accept a TTL level signal, not RS232. I can make the voltage step cable, but it's a pain. I'm in contact with one of the Kontron engineers and I'm hoping that they just forgot to include it. I'm lucky that I discovered this before I powered things up.

as far as i know the cable to upload fw is not included, shoul cost about 10 usd.

I know that now, but they made not mention of it when I placed the order, and the US website makes no mention of it as a required accessory.

So, I have another question while we're waiting on the results of Kontron.
What's the best 15.4" WUXGA screen and why? What are the timings and how is it with fast motion?

Have you read the original thread? Original Thread

I have that forum thread in my favorites; it's a wealth of knowledge.

Yes, I have but that info is more than 6 months old, which is a long time in computer years. From that, what I can see, the LG Phillips sounds the best with the 16ms response time. I do a lot of gaming and I'm interested in something that can handle fast motion. I figured I'd see if anyone else had more specific thoughts.

The info is only 3 months old and the Wuxga 15.4" laptop lcds haven't changed in 3 years. Same specs. Heck the 7.2" Wxga that everyone is excited about in the other thread has been around for 4 years.

Okay, so does anyone have an opinion on which panel is the best? or how they handle fast motion? I've browsed through some of the other pages on this thread but never really found anything on people's opinions on which LCD to use. Still looking, but there's 38 pages, lol.

Opinions, umm yea people have a lot of them

Every Wuxga I've had ,and I've had them all except the Lg, looked fine with no ghosting at all.

The Toshiba is supposed to be one of the easiest to strip and some members say it has better blacks on projection screens.

The Lg should look the best overall for games/movies but as far as I know, no-one has confrimed it yet.

The Sharp is the most used and I loved the way it looked with all the layers stripped. It was a nice bright panel.

I have a Sharp that I will be using with the Kontron, how easy was the strip?

Which strip ? The Lcd from the backlight/ the Ag/ the antireflective material ?

the board supports TTL and RS232 level signalling, both. the serial cable is important brcause it comes with the KCWB (programming software) CDRom bundled. How did you managed to get JAE-30 connectors? mine was ordered from mouser, unfortunately lost and i had to re order that. i'm waiting for those frackin' connectors since 5th of march

i recommend not disassembling the LCD until you get picture on it.

AG and Anti-reflective, both sides basicly.

Are you saying that I can just run the 3 RS232 lines with RXD and TXD flipped directly to a molex plug on the board?

DOH!!! Your Right! I just double checked page 10 of the manual.
It reads "Caution! The transmit and receive signals have RS232C level and are crossed!"

So if i read this right, i should just be able to run PC RXD to board TXD and vise versa, right?
I got the KCWB app off the Kontron site.
The JAE-30 came off a dead Viewsonic 17 inch. the pins are removeable.

I won't strip anyting untill I test it. I plan to power the back light off a junk laptop while testing.

I never recommend removing the AG from any of the Wuxga screens unless you are ready to buy a new Lcd.

I have removed the AG from 4 or 5 and only one turned out good. And I broke one Lcd, messed up the ffc's on one, got grain on one, and smugged the polar on another. So proceed at your own risk.

The reflective layer was very easy on 3 of them. Peeled off dry without any water soaking. 2 of them required water soaking each of the reflective layers.

Good luck.

thats tricky. i read it as PC's RXD goes to board's RXD PC's TXD goes to board TXD. but maybe i'm wrong...

unfortunately the sw you can download works with models crt2lc5 and crt2lcd6 and sadly won't with crt2lcd7

That's strange, I haven't used it, since I have no Kontron board to use it with at this time, but, the following link certainly looks like it is the right version for the CRT2LCD7 Kontron Work Bench software.

http://emea.kontron.com/index.php?id=780&a...p;productid=653

Pretty much everything on that page seems to refer to being for the CRT2LCD7 board.

wow - great development since last time. sweet

Yeah, I just double checked mine, it's for the CRTtoLCD7. Now I just need to figure it out. It seems like the app wants you to copy a base version of the firmware off the board. The you can load the file in the editor and configure based on the panel's data sheet......well that's how it seems to make sense to me.

does every member in here have a copy of 5th Element? LOL

Which make where you successfull on? The last Chunwa that i stripped had a really tough "baked on" AG. I found that a 2 hour soak with VERY hot water that was just below boiling seemed to work.

But based on your experiance, I might just leave the frount AG, I can't afford to buy anonther one right now.

***Sorry for my spelling i don't have MS word on this machine.***

Were you required to verify your copy when you signed up for the boards?

(I believe it is in the Tools section, a thread with testing pictures.)

I successfully removed the AG on all of them, but sometimes the Lcd suffered

The Sharp was the one that survived everything.

But all of them required soaks from 24-30 hours and even then the AG came off in pieces.

okay, please excuse my ignorance, I'm still trying to learn all of this while I'm waiting for the Kontron board. But what exactly are we waiting for with the Kontron board? Doesn't the CRTtoLCD7 work as is?

at the moment there is no firmware able to manage our panels (any of wuxga type) and there is no cable to connect the controller to the panel.
This are two potentially BIG issue.
We are awaiting replies from kancerus' kontron contact (which is supposed to start the group buy) and as far as i know HitesFIero is already working on fw by his own.

bye.

okay, so does that mean that you can use a desktop monitor taken apart for this instead of a laptop panel?

yep but you won't be able to have a res over wxga therefore you won't need kontron controller anymore, you'll use the one built in your desktop display.
The only wuxga panels are from laptops only and are without controllers (which is inside the laptop mainboard) that's why you need winmate kontron or realtek controllers.

bye

gotcha (although there is WUXGA monitors). Maybe we should all keep writing in to the sales department to show that there is a big demand for these things and maybe that would speed it up.

for a comany like kontorn big demand means at least #1000 SKUs

well, yea, but aren't they just thinking that they are dealing with 1 or 2 people? If they believed they were dealing with a company, or at least many people, I think they would have had this done by now. It's been 8 months or so, hasn't it?
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about any of you's, I think you are doing amazing and I'm learning tonnes. I'm just trying to think of ways that we might be able to speed this up since I know so many of us are waiting on it. As for me, I know squat about programming, I'm a hardware techy at IBM (and no, I don't know anyone here that can program it either, I've been trying, believe me, lol).
I'm so impatient about playing FEAR and Crysis on a 106" screen at 1920x1200.
"outside? what's that? no thank you, I'm fine right here"

Ok, time for an update on my end. The version of KCWB available on Kontron’s site is only a LITE VERSION!!! You can’t generate a panel file with it. Needless to say I’m a little miffed. I was directly told otherwise by one of the technicians at the California location! I’m in direct contact now with one of the engineers in Germany. I sent him the Toshiba 15.4 data sheet. Since I have no need for a back light he should be able to whip one up. We shall see…….
The full version is not available to the public, very misleading.

My panel is also in Germany to program the CRT2LCD7. I think the reason why its taking so long is because they have alot of other things to do and this isn't a top priority for them. I have emailed my contact and asking what the update is.

As for the software to write panel files, I asked for that too but they said they don't give away their secrets hehe

Im out of the group buy. I figured why spend just under $1000AUS and get all the problems asocieated with these DIY's when I can spend three tiems that amount for a perfect solution.

http://www.pricejapan.com/front/e_good_inf...amp;category=11

Should be arriving today. BAM!

Nice. Not for me though. I can't find anything about HDCP for it, I've owned a commercial projector and replacement bulbs are ~$500 (sony), and since I'm a gamer hooking up my gaming PC to my home theater system I prefer the 1920x1200.
I think a lot of people will agree with at least one of my points, not to mention paying $1000 vs. $3000

EDIT: another point about replacement bulbs. They get harder and harder to find year after year since manufacturers release newer models and drop support for older ones. By the time your bulb starts to go then your model will be obsolete and bulbs will probably be different. Get replacement bulbs while you can now (or look around for sales for the next couple of months) and then you'll have them for when you need them.

Its HDMI 1.3 compliant so I dont see any reason why it wouldnt be HDCP.....Ill find out tomorrow.

Also its 1080p 12000:1 contrast ratio with horizontal and vertical shift......The only downside I can see to this projector over the home brew is replacement bulbs but when you compare the cost of a new WUXGA screen cause your antiglare strip didn't work etc its not so bad.

HitesFiero you had better buy that factory serial cable, with the full version of KCWB it's 10 bugs only. on the other hand kancerus have sent not only the toshiba data sheet far more before you, but his panel, too. I think it's not the best tactic hitting them from several sides...

I think this is a FUD. You can buy replacement bulbs even for PJs have been sold in the previous century However it's convenient and recommended to have at least one replacement bulb at home...

I just shot off an email as to the availability of the full version, as far as the serial cable, the one that it fabbed works great. If they bundle one with the software then so be it. I'm just a little disapointed with the lack of info that Kontron has proviced for it's US sales and support teams.

Just want to let you guys know, I can get a MST controller for the wuxga. The controller has HDMI,VGA,2-YPrPb, S-video, CVBS. Price will be around $190.

I will take one.

Your products and prices are fantastic johnzo, but I really want the abitlity to change panel types whenever it suits me. Being able to program the firmware make future proofing much easier. Plus "Adaptive Motion Deinterlacing by Faroudja Technology", is a sweet bonus.

The controllers I have now are all interchangable with LG, samsung, toshiba, and maybe sharp. ( I have not tryed sharp yet).

So with this controller you can use those three manufactures and maybe four.

johnzo, what are the features of this controller ? was this controller specifically programmed for 15.4" wuxga panels ? (i'm mostly interested in the scaling features and what it offers for options...)

thanks.
gs

yes, I'm also interested in the specs. Like if it does HDCP. Even if it doesn't the cost of the HDFury is only $150 now.

A user/service manual on this new MST controller would be highly appreciated too.

Count me in on the MST buy for WUXGA. I really need HDMI, and multiple component sounds great too.

The Mst is Hdcp compliant

*edit* Well it is on the MST for the 10.6" panel, so I'm guessing it will be for the 15.4" panel. Hope I'm not wrong.

HDCP for only $190?

That rocks!

So does this negate the need for the Kontron?

Well I guess it depends if it does 1:1 scaling. Some feel that is important and might want it if it's not enabled in the MST.

Yeah I def want 1:1 scaling, I suppose we just need to wait for a spec sheet on this MST. I assume the quality of the Kontron will be better too (build wise) and the features on the Kontron will also be better.