-Quick tangent-

Does anyone know the difference between the Samsung LTN154u1 and the LTN154u2??

you may ask data sheet from support at ztronics dot com

Just an FYI, there are two Beseler lenses on eBay right now with $64.95 Buy It now prices...


Item number: 120093224233 18" EFL End time: Mar-05-07 12:03:07 PST
Item number: 120092475542 22" EFL End time: Mar-05-07 12:21:58 PST

Yeah, I bought mine from that guy. It seems like he has a truckload of those things!!

I won my auction at $52. The lens looks nearly flawless... I'd buy from him again...

All compatible LCD's for G2A220 controller are using dithering (Color: 256k 16.2mil w/ dithering). Does that mean will watch my DVD's in 1080p only in 256k colors, or G2A220 supports dithering?

Yepp, GA220 supports dithering, but GA220 is so much expensive however has no HDCP support. if we could short this kontron out with the help of kancerus, that means an approx 350AUD price tag with even HDCP support

Too late I already got it, I don't realy need HDCP support (I will use Mvix MX-760HD Wireless Hi-Definition Media Player) will do 1080p over dvi no problem.

Quick Question: I have the LL Pro triplet, and I'm seeing everyone talk about the 18" beseler. what is the difference, and is the optical quality better on the 18"??
is it for a tad smaller FL???
Help me out, i've been gone for a year, or more!!!!!!!!!!

also I still have my DIYPC Company 450 lense, Wouldn't that be a good lense for the 15.4 panel? nice and big to grab up the light?

dunno exactly, but I think people was hunting for beselers because the LL Pro triplet was out of stock.

Here is what I got from Kontron:



So do you guys think that the cable that goes from G2A to panel would work to go from the Kontron board to the panel

Can I buy just that cable from Winmate?

computercowboy so your contact guarantees that *any* kontron 21110 board with factory defaults can drive the 15.4" wuxga panels w/o the need of specific (re)configuration?

winmate's cable won't work with kontron. winmate uses different socket and pinout. and i feel, that winmate won't sell the cable only, just as the part of the kit.

what i pasted in is what i got from him in the email
i wouldn't take it as a garantee

i think it will work
where to we get this cable made? how do we make it? can you make it?

I am willing to buy this but I can't wait much longer for a working solution if it goes on like this I will be forced to buy the g2a

I want to get rid of the lame x2gen panel and put in the sharpie

PROGRESS!!!

Just talked to a gentleman by the name of Patrick Sutton at 1-800-523-2320 x3160 at Kontron's North American sales department. I asked to place a single order for a CRTtoLCD7-Multimedia part number 21110. He quoted me a price of $250. I asked what exactly was all included with the kit, and specifically asked if the OSD board was included. He said it was a new part for them, so he'd have to take my name and number and get back to me. Last thing I asked was for him to confirm that he had it in stock and that he could ship it to me, to which he replied that they were getting a new shipment in next week.


It's alllll coming together now.

EDIT: Whoops. Seems I'm blind. The OSD has a part number of it's own, 22010. See: http://us.kontron.com/downloads/datasheet/CRTtoLCD_7.pdf

Too late to call back now, I'll have to place my order tomorrow.

What panel do you have? $250 sounds very reasonable, esp. compared to the Winmate. I don't imagine the OSD panel would be that much more on top of that.

On a more general note, looking at the CRTtoLCD7's datasheet, at the very end it says "Cable-Kits for Flatpanels of all leading manufacturers are available"... I'd imagine our Sharps and Samsungs don't fit that category? What kind of cable exactly is needed? The datasheet asks for a JILI30 or JILI40 cable, and I noticed the LL shop has 30 and 40 pin FFC extension cables... are these the same thing as what we need? More importantly, could we use them without modification with our panels (My gut instinct says no...)

so...
I'm waiting for fr@cking connectors get shipped from mouser.com to have the cable prototyped. C2L7-MMs are factory defaulted to 1280x1024@60Hz, dual channel LVDS, 24 bit. On the other hand I've seen only NO_HDCP models, can be bought here. So a statement on that your source confirms that he/she can ship the gear configured to 1920x1200, dual channel LVDS, 18bit is mandatory, afaik. Also a statement on HDCP support is a must otherwise i wait what kancerus sort out...



ehh. C2L7-MM is €200, OSD panel is €10. but *no lvds cable* for our LCDs. I'm even sceptic about the factory default wuxga support. i dunno much 'bout fcc extension cables but you need a JILI30(JAE FI-X30H)-to-JAE FI-X30M cable with application specific wiring. note that it's possible that X30H and X30M is a same connector but for differenet kinda cables - that's why i wait for what mouser have sold me

$250 without a remote, OSD board , Lvds cable, power supply is not as good as the G2A boards with EVERYTHING for $350.

Progress is being made but it looks as if it will be the same price as the G2A controllers with everything, and no real advantage over the G2A.

The Pro triplet has a wider FOV than the 18" so it is better for 17" panels. It has a slightly longer focal length than the 18: so you can move the projector farther back. In some setups though the 18" will be about 10% brighter because it allows more light from the lamp arc to be captured.

jonjandran. PSU is a non-issue. most of us have an old ATX PSU. osd board is $10 - a non issue. I can make the LVDS cable relatively easily. we don't need the inverter. kontron is worth if it has HDCP support built in. if not then you're right, more easy/safe to go with G2A. However G2A is not $350 it's somewhere $420 according to the latest info...

Well I doubt seriously the average person on this forum has a power supply sitting around that will work. The inverter is very nice to have to test your Lcd before you disassemble it. And where did you see that the OSD is $10. And just because you can make a LVDS cable easily doesn't mean someone else can or that they can do it properly, so it will have to be outsourced.

So $250 is not a good deal unless we can get the rest cheaply.

And the 2 Kontron reps I emailed said HDCP was not included in any of their boards. But maybe the Pdf is correct and there is HDCP. It's going to take a guinea pig to find out I'm afraid.

I think G2A130 is ~$350 and G2A220 is ~$420. Main difference is that the 220 has component input while the 130 uses SOG through the VGA port (ie. component to vga adapter needed).

The problem with most of these boards is the the chip will support HDCP, but in most cases it is un-utilized as the licensing fee's associated with using it are too expensive... I hope someone will prove me wrong.

gs

AFAIK G2A130 is not sold anymore...

I don't think I want to be that guinea pig, I want to get 1080p up and running ASAP. I think I will be ordering the winmate controller and a new rear fresnel this Friday. 720p on a huge (140") screen is pretty lame after having true 1080 on a small (60" screen). Long story short I am getting pretty sick of looking at the Sharp panel sitting on my desk at the office doing nothing when I bought it months ago. If something doesn't change in the next couple days I will be buying the winmate. I can always get a HDCP stripper later or sell it and by the Kontron if that works out.

"Well I doubt seriously the average person on this forum has a power supply sitting around that will work. The inverter is very nice to have to test your Lcd before you disassemble it. And where did you see that the OSD is $10. And just because you can make a LVDS cable easily doesn't mean someone else can or that they can do it properly, so it will have to be outsourced.
So $250 is not a good deal unless we can get the rest cheaply.
And the 2 Kontron reps I emailed said HDCP was not included in any of their boards. But maybe the Pdf is correct and there is HDCP. It's going to take a guinea pig to find out I'm afraid."

As we found with different-panels, nearly everyone does have such power-supply's laying-about...from a variety of appliances like laptops/panels/printers (or they can be had at any Goodwill). [I would not want anything as loud/sizable as an atx-PS in my PJ, anyway...I'd rather spend 15. on a new/regulated DC-PS?].
As for a 'cheap LVDS-cable' (with at-least the panel-connector required), I imagine Carpow could provide them for minor-expense...he also offers remarkable pricing for these 15.4's of-interest (sans his vga-controller, btw -- also 'reasonable').
Also, it seems Kontron offers a 175.-version of same-controller -- but minus-component (which, like-as-not, will not function correctly with HD unless specifically, and expensively, flashed -- as-per our experience with 'generic boards' elsewhere). However, I believe one of those 'lesser-boards', with dvi/vga, would be fully-functional -- as-is -- via those-inputs. And, inexpensive/plug-in inverters can be had for backlit-testing.
For an OSD and one of the controllers I'm suggesting, the 'risk' is reduced to under 200. for the chance of a fully-featured board with excellent PQ and video-handling (attractive to many, even sans Component and HDCP).
Moreover, I'd guarantee that if this is attempted, and it should 'fail', then I'll spring for at-least half the cost -- to simply try it on other-panels (if that is of any-interest or 'insurance'?).

As minoten found out for his group buys, people like simplicity. Having an all in one kit is a must for people who want to jump into 1080p but don't want to fish around in their or their neighbors garages for spare parts.

I'm just saying that the average person on this board would like something simple. But what do i know.

True, but we have to start somewhere. I would dearly love an all in one WUXGA kit with HDCP, but since one does not currently exist, I suppose I will be the guinea pig. Unfortunately, this Sutton character knows nothing about the product he's selling. Going to try to force him to say yea or nay on HDCP in a few hours when I phone him back, and then go from there.

Hello again guys, i take a look at the boe lcd, and i found some lcd at the specialized applicattions, screens for Digital eXtreme Definition and medical applications, but i didnt find more informations about it, and the catalog isnt working. http://www.boehydis.com/eng/index.htm. Anyone knows anything about this?
Hey, now i found this http://www.totoku.com/display/products/med...350i/index.html 2048 x 1536 Full color (16.77 million colors 10bit) 400:1
crap, they are expensive

standard OHPs are usnig 10"x10" aperture. We have managed with the Pro triplet to extend the aperture to somewhat 17"-18" in diagonal. 21" diagonal is huuge, extremely huuuuuge. You won't even find relatively cheap fresnels for your setup. And you will also need 575W+ MH lamps - they are painfully expensive, and dunno whether the pro triplet with its 100mm clear aperture would be good enough...

Whoah. Click on "Product Comparisons" on that first link, then scroll to the bottom... their DXD line seems to have crazy high resolutions, but when you click on one (for example, the 5.2" 1536x2048 panel) the page shows it being used to display x-rays, leading me to believe the refresh rate isn't up to par for our applications. unfortunately, they don't list very many specs.

EDIT: Can anyone get the PDF files on that site to work? Says they're corrupt when I try to open them. Maybe a different language, I only have english fonts installed on my comp.

I got some response from my kontron vendor. He told me, that if i buy the serial cable, they will give me the KCWB app, sounds sweet however i'm waiting for positive answer on HDCP support.

Quick update, if you could call it that: Just talked with Mr. Sutton again, he said I stumped his North American engineering department on DHCP, so he had to place a call across the Atlantic to the engineers in Germany (paraphrasing, but pretty much exactly what he said). He expects an answer back today, and if not, then tomorrow. He has my number.

I'll keep on him.

EDIT: Sorry, HDCP lol. Don't worry, that's what I told him when I talked to him for sure.

I guess you did stump him.

DHCP is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol for IP addresses .

We need HDCP or High-bandwith Digital Content Protection.

But I'm sure you just misspelled it

Ya know, Jonjandran, I'm sitting here, reading up on the new controllers for this panel, and I'm really stumped on whether I want the smaller panel and box of the 10.6 w/ 720P or the full HD of the Wuxga, but the box size still kinda scares me. I have a couple HD-DVDs now, and am perplexed. you have the 15.4, and I know you are up to speed on the 10.6, what are your thoughts on the size/resolution factor of both?? do you think the resolution is worth the box size? I mean, the price is not that big of a difference, if I read correctly!!!!
just your 2cents!!!???

Ricoks

This is how I would sum it up.

It's all about screen size vs box size vs WAF.

If you are going to stick to a 110" diagonal screen or less then you really won't notice much of a difference between 720p and 1080p. If you go with a larger screen say 120" - 180" then you will notice a difference in 720p and 1080p. 1080p will be sharper and better focused. You will notice details in clothing and faces and fine details in outdoor scenes , etc. But you won't notice a difference between 720p and 1080p if you've never seen 1080p

But then there is the box size difference. My box was 16"x18"x42". That's HUGE. With the 10.6" screen yo can use the standard triplet and still get a long throw. The box shouldn't be much more than 10"x10"x25". Now that is TINY compared to a Wuxga box. Factor in the WAF and you might have a winner.

I'm going to give the smaller panel a try soon. Just waiting on a few more advancements in technology before I commit.

got the $80 realtek analog board from carpow. the board is working, picture quality is proportional it's price tag. it's okay to fire up the LCD - to see i've got a perfect one form smartmicrousa.com. unfortunately neither brightness/contrast control works, nor 720p. so i have to hunt this kontron thingy but realtek will be good for start developing the PJ


My concerns about 720p is that i'd like to have this PJ to serve as the monitor as well at home - and for my use 1280x768 is a way too small. The other problem is that all the small panels are having response times over 20ms - they are slow. And I have seen my philips running yesterday evening and I'm soo much keep on. The picture of my philips 15.4" is beautiful

Hoping to finally get the HDCP info put to bed for the Kontron controller.

Even if the controller does not support HDCP, I will test it.

Jonjandren, still want to go in half and half to test this controller?

Kontron does not offer an interface cable to the Sharp Panels.
I am waiting on a price from a custom cable manufacturer and an estimate from Kontron on the same.

I am also waiting on responses for:
1. Is the controller guarenteed to work with the Sharp LQ154M1LW12, W02 and W01?
2. Does the Kontron controller support HDCP?
3. What are the costs of each optional item?
(component inputs, OSD panel, TV tuner, and power supply)

I am also checking on the Flat Panel Editor costs and return policy.
I'll post the answers when I hear back.

1. no. C2L7-MM versions avalilable for purcase are factory programmed to 1280x1024@60Hz/24bit/dual channel LVDS. you would like 1900x1200@60Hz/18bit/dual channel LVDS
2. kancerus have told, that it supports HDCP. within some greman webshop it's stated that no HDCP support. I'm waiting answers from my local reseller, MSC regarding HDCP status.
3. C2L7-MM €199, OSD panel set €15, seiral (programming) cable €6. i never asked for the tuner's price.

Talked to Patrick Sutton again today. He regretted that this issue has dragged on as long as it has. We left the conversation at him trying to reach the product manager, which I assume is his boss. I didn't get a call back. I'll try back again tomorrow near the end of the business day if I don't hear from him first.

What I think is ridiculous about this whole thing is, who the hell wrote that data sheet that says this controller has HDCP in the first place? And where did he get that information? SOMEONE must know! I'm going to bring this up him him tomorrow if he doesn't have an answer for me.

I originally contacted Jeffrey Laskowski at Kontron and was directed to Mark Thurman to get my questions answered.

Here is the email I sent to Mark at Kontron and the responses I received back are in Bold.

Mark,
Thanks for the help with this.
I have a manufacturer prototyping an interface cable for me.

1. What minimum quantity would be needed to have Kontron make the needed interface cables?
Checking on this and will get back to you

Just so I am clear, could you answer these questions:

2. Is the Kontron controller guarenteed to work with the Sharp LQ154M1LW12, W02 and W01?
We have not tested with this particular display but all indications show it should work

3. Does the Kontron controller support HDCP?
Yes

4. Could I get a quote with the optional items listed as seperate line items?
(component inputs, OSD panel, power supply, and TV tuner)
Checking on this and will get back to you

5. Lastly, what is the "Flat Panel Editor", and what is the cost of it?
Checking on this also

Once I hear back, I am ready to order the first one to test the 1080p support, panel support, prototype cable, and HDCP over HDMI support.

If all works well, then we can start ordering more.

6. If the controller does not correctly support the items listed above, can it be returned?
Yes. We offer a 30 day sell or return policy. Our Customer Service Department at 800-480-0044 will assign a RMA number and provide instructions on the return.

Here is a screen shot of the Kontron Configuration Workbench.

Here is two screen shots of the Serial OSD tool for the Kontron controller.

Once the 1080p projectors become old news, what will be next?
Take a look at this:
IBM Monitor 3840 x 2400

Alright, so we're 99.9% sure this Kontron CRTtoLCD7-MM is the board for us. What are our options for buying a panel at this point? Any good online retailers? I've used ebay numerous times and don't have much bad to say about it, but hunting for a panel seems far more tedious that it needs to be, and those "<model #> compatible" auctions seem a bit sketchy to me. I tried emailing carpow@126.com, as I was told he has LG panels, but I haven't received a reply in over a week.

Any suggestions?

EDIT: the "<model #> compatible" comment specifically refers to the BLISSCOMPUTERS auctions. Has anyone had any dealings with them?

Wow! I've been after the CRTtoLCD7 for some time now. If there is a group buy going down, count me in! I might throw down for a couple of them.

My old Alienware laptop broke down a while ago and I've been wanting to turn the screen into a stand alone flat panel monitor.

Please keep this thread updated!

I am very anxious to find out whats going on.

shanenegaard, so you have configured C2L7-MM for your sharp panel and it's working?

Sorry if anyone feels like I'm busting up in here and disturbing the flow of things, but....

Just out of curiousity... what is the difference between the Sharp LQ154M1LW12 and the LQ154M1LW02? Because the I have found the LQ154M1LW02s for $361, and the LQ154M1LW12 for $404. You can eBay them for much cheaper, but rarely are there any new lcd panels on eBay.

I say that as I eat my own words... Lot of 10 Samsung 15.4 WUXGA Notebook LCD LTN154U2-L04

shanenegaard do you know if the Samsung LTN154U2 is compatible with the C2L7?



@Semose
The smallest QXGA screen I have seen is the Samsung WiseView 15". Screen Tek sells them for about 500 bucks a pop new.

No difference. The last 2 numbers/letters designate which laptop the Lcd is a replacement for.

I am in the info gathering stage and will be ordering the Kontron controller asap for testing.

If anyone has a panel they could send, I could test it, otherwise I will be buying the Sharp Panel.

We could get all the screens we need from ScreenTek but they are new and you pay new prices = $300+

I have been looking at the BlissComputers Ebay store and will probably order from them.

I will record my dealings with them and post how well it goes and what kind of inventory they have and return policies, etc.

Here is the email response from Genesis Microchips on controller manufacturers.

Hello Shane,

Below is a list of companies that provide off-the-shelf board products using our devices or can provide design service consulting:

Board Suppier / Design Service Companies
Off The Shelf Board Suppliers / Custom Design

Imagik International
George Schamey - Business Development
g DOT schamey AT imagikcorp DOT com
305-512-4567
Designs: gm1601, FLI85xx

Aurora Multimedia
Paul Harris
pharris AT auroramultimedia DOT com
732-591-5800 x202
Designs: gm1601

Kristel
Keith Petri
engineering AT kristel DOT com
630-443-1290
Designs: gm5120, gm5221, gm5321, gm5621 cards: 6.4" to 19" LCD
Designs: gm1601: 32"-46" LCD.

Display Magic
Andrew Rehm: andrew AT display-magic DOT com
John Watts: john AT display-magic DOT com
847-593-7810

Design House / Custom Design

Logic Edge
Eric Sornberger
eric AT logicedge DOT com
818-349-5523

Regards,

Greg

Greg W. Hartman
Americas Regional Sales Manager
Genesis Microchip
Dallas: 940-627-8784
Santa Clara: 408-919-8599
www.gnss.com

Wonder if the future of DIY Projectors would be to have a custom controller built with all our requirements and customization capabilities = $$$

If you plan buying from eBay you may consider SamrMicroUSA they are selling genuine, brand new - not refurbished panels.