I got a call the 25th also. However, I missed it and they didn't leave a message

Just thaught i would post on my experences with striping the films off the LG Phillips LP154WU1 lcd.
First i went for the reflective films on the rear of the lcd, the first layer peeled off very esily without any soaking.The next layer took about a 20 minute plain water soak and peeled off very easily in one piece but left quite a bit of glue behind.I used a lens cleaner i purchased from surplus shed and a Q-Tip wich did an execlent job of removing the glue without any maring of the surface.I have read on the forum there was a third layer but i cannot seem to find it ,maby the first layer was 2 combined but in anycase im content with the rear surface as is .Now it's time to tackel the front AG film,Like all the HORROR stories i read on the forum with the WUXGA lcd's this LG was no different it took about 26 hours of soaking and peeling,soaking and peeling,soaking and peeling.It finaly all came off in about 40 pieces
My first attempt was a 4 hour 90/10 water/acetone and peeled up a corner....Whoops i got under the polarizer and crack ...the small piece broke off.Now i have a white spot in the uper right corner of my projection,not a major deal but it does Bite. So i figured i would let it soak again for another 6 hours.I dig in and finaly get under another corner....HMMM it seems kinda stiff .Figures... i got under the polarizer again,so i stop and try another corner Horray i finaly found what i was digging for but i get the corner up about 3/4 of an inch and rip... the piece comes off.Now i'm gettn upset, i let it soak again for about 10 hours this time i bumped the mix up to 70/30 water/acetone. after the 10 hr soak i dig in again with some success i get a bout 40% of the film off in 20 or so pieces.Time to soak again, i can't for the life of me get the razor under any of the edges. after about another 6 hours i finaly get the rest off PHEW.. It was a Battle but i just kept at it. I ended up with a small white spot in the corner and some scratches where i used a razor to work the edges when the film riped. Overall im very happy with the results i got from removing the films even with the scratches and white corner.I'm also amazed that the lcd still works after all the manhandeling i put on it ,infact i had a stuck blue pixel before i started this procedure and now the pixel is fixed.

Would i do it again,You better believe it,over and over again.Its well worth the effort.

preorders for the $160 hdcp dvi strippers brought up earlier in the thread are going out now
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....age=2&pp=30

I posted to see if they will be compatible with the DVI-D inputs of the GTA from the 3rd minoten group buy (which I have)

As discussed in:
http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?s...6166&st=100
bevo77/Sinner7 and others (albeit brought-to-task by accident -- similar to yours) are experimenting with complete panel 'clean-off' -- both sides, including polars and underlayment. The theory being (and supported by several findings elsewhere) that all the 'engineered' and complex 'diffusement'/WV/'tac'/etc. layers&coatings for panel-use with backlighting (and with emphasis on view-angle) involved over&under factory-polarizers hurts our application and usage. And, that polarizers commonly selected by factories are 'poor for our purposes', also -- intent being better brightness/contrast results and 'truer' indexing.
You may want to at-least follow the discussion and results...or at some point participate with a complete scrubbing? I'll be testing more than a couple polar-types on a 10.6" shortly, but most are using the SHC/non-adhesive from polarizer.com.
[Anyone with 'tips' for best-approach to clean-off everything? 70/30 distilled-water/acetone? I don't care for the notions re: 'sandpapering'...<g>]

After I stripped off the rear polar, there was a thin adhesive layer on the glass. Laquer thinner dissolves it fast. Be sure to have plenty of clean cloth since the glue gunks it up fast.

I'm pretty impressed with the LG panel so far seems to have good contrast and is very fast even hockey looks very good at 120", smooth and fluid.
I can't say if it is actually the 600:1 and 16ms as claimed by LG so i bought a sharp WUXGA LCD to compare it with. I will post my comparisons when i receive the sharp.

You meant 'LPhilips', right? Or LG?
Either way, the comparative spec's for brightness/contrast don't mean much once removed from backlit-environ and especially once removing 'layers' (although I suppose they are somewhat 'indicative'?).
But 'ms is ms'...regardless -- and you probably have the best-available 15.4/wuxga available (but it'll be interesting when you compare, same test-bed, the Sharp).
Why not buy a Toshiba and LG and Samsung, while at it? <g>
Are you going to completely-strip the Sharp, or only if AG presents-problems and/or the LP 'goes well' with new-polars?

It's actually LG Phillips . I will strip the sharp panel for a fair comparison, The real reason i picked up the sharp lcd is because it was so cheap I figured why not, lets just say the panel is by far cheaper than new polarizer for my LG panel. In any case i will probably end up replacing the polarizer's on bolth lcd's I already know the AG removal is gonna be a bear to do on the sharp. Also i have to give props to the Winmate G2A220 controller,It's soooo nice to have a remote to switch between inputs and all the color and brightness and scaling options at the touch of a button on the remote Not to mention the flip option that is the key to my projector the LG Phillips lcd Looks 1000 times better when mounted in the original position it was in the laptop. Even the 42" PIP window on my desktop is a crystal clear lcd television,"10 thumbs up to the winmate"truly a well designed controller.The only thing it lacks is HDCP support,Thank god my DTV STB doesn't implement it as of yet.

Well I received the sharp LQ154M1L02 LCD today. I plugged it into the G2A220 controller and all seems good, works and no bad pixels that i could see "excellent" . Its now floating in a pan of 80/20 water/acetone. My first attempt will be to remove the nasty AG film off the front.

Floating in a pan of water ?????

That is definitely not good. Water will get under the polar and leave "grain" lines.

I guess "floating in a pan" was a bad choice of words .It's more like suspended on the top of the water. 16.5 hours so far. At 1:30 am i will attempt to peel the Ag off, that will be 24 hours undisturbed.

Well I don't know what to say ,I'm not sure if it was the fact that i soaked the panel for 24 hours in a pan with direct water/acetone contact undisturbed or maby i just got an easy panel. The last 1.5 hours i put 2 pieces of computer paper on top the backside and completely submerged the panel in the 80/20 solution (excluding the horizontal driver board) at 1:30 am i pulled the panel out dried it off and began to lift the corner. Layer after layer came off in 1 piece from the backside with almost no force. Zero glue residue was left behind and minimal cleanup of fingerprints was required. The backside is 100% mint "awesome".Time for the BEAR on the front the AG. I carefully flip the panel over take my razor blade and lift a corner "OH MY" to my surprise the AG film lifts off the front with ZERO force i mean it practically fell off, again no glue residue and zero fingerprints on the panel because i didn't have to hold the LCD down it just lifted right off. Bolth sides of this sharp LCD are MINT

Now i have to put it into my PJ and see if it still works.

Sorry, dont know if you mentioned this already, but what brand of panel was that?

It is a 15.4" WUXGA Sharp LQ154M1LW02

... and... ????

hope everything is ok.


cheers,
gs

Well i put the sharp LCD in my PJ and it WORKS !!! At first glance the sharp is more transmissive than the LG panel but the LG panel does have better contrast the LG has richer color and is not so washed out at the same settings. As for the speed of the panel, its very hard to notice a difference when they are not side by side. So that brings me to my next test. Is there a program that will measure the response time on a LCD? I really don't know why i should do this test because it seems that either panel is sufficient is speed. From what i can tell when adjusting the contrast, saturation, brightness either panel is KICK ARSE. There is no clear better panel between these two, you just have to make the correct adjustments and either one will knock your socks off. I will leave this sharp in for a few days and swap back to the LG to see if i notice a difference.

Try here:
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/Video-Tweak/
and maybe try:
http://www.entechtaiwan.com/lib/softmccs.shtm
http://www.entechtaiwan.com/files/softmccs.exe
And let us know what-all showed up in your softMCCS.rpt in program-Dir...

Any more news on the carpow controller board??

Apparently it has 'issue' with HD-component, but works at Native with vga...

Well, if I can get my xbox 360 to play through it without any issues, for $80 no less, I'll be happy

Just a tought - since I have a D-sub cable for my xbox, is there any chance to see HD titles in 1080p?

Still waiting to find out more information on these controllers.
I have read through as many of the forums that I can and have not seen much info on the different controllers other than the G2A130 and G2A210

I am ordering a wuxga panel and need a controller to drive it.
I can't justify $425.00 for the G2A210, when some of the others have been listed for between $70 and $300

Does anyone have information on each of the controllers that have been reviewed here?

If so, it would be nice to have a post that lists the Manufacturer, the price, and the contact to order one.

It seems that there is a lot of information about the hardware, capabilities, etc
But very little information on ordering them.

Please help me to upgrade to 1080p

Right now the ONLY way to get 1080p is from the G2A130 or G2A220.

Nobody has been able to get another controller from another manufacturer yet.

If anybody does feel free to post here.

Just posting some links to other controller manufacturers.

I found this link for Genesis products which are the manufacturers of the chip used in the WinMate controllers.

Take a look at the following
Genesis Controllers

Oak
FLI5962/61/21

and the

Malibu
gm1601

Both support HDCP, DVI, Analog, and WUXGA

I think these are just the chips but I am checking on that as well as costs, ordering, panel support, etc.
Would it be possible to contract someone to build a controller using these chips?

Maybe Brain has contacts to some High End electronic engineers that could start making controllers for Lumenlab members?

I wish someone-would...
I've now contacted three Chinese-sources (including Zhao/'carpow') about this -- but in wuxga, only that rather-lame [no dvi/hdmi] RTD2533 controller is 1080-capable (and only via vga). The chipsets have been 'out there' for awhile now...and these boards probably 'cost' less than 20. to manufacture...but no large-market for extra-laptop controllers has make 'cheap finds' available (and it's complicated by the need to flash for all the varied panel-types...which is exactly-why those 70.-boards won't work-well with HD-Component...just as the boards for the 10.6's aren't 'flashed for right panel'). Some kiosk and RV-market suppliers Stateside and elsewhere have the ability to tailor specific boards...but those that 'can', seem to want to retire on the profits from small-orders...
I believe someone could, from a Korean/Chinese source, order-up a good/inexpensive board for import (one based on perhaps the FLI5962 or similar, and 'workable' for our 3 panels-of-interest)...but it would require an 'investment' and a hundred-board order, minimum. The 'risk' would be committing to the process, and some new-panel coming-out and removing 'interest' before lot-order was sold...or a miscommunication/mis-step resulting in a hundred 'flawed' boards on your hands [again, see: 'Evo'].
After all the phunn with Evo's, I'm not thinking Brain would be willing to 'bite'...?<g>

happy, good catch. but i feel it won't be easy to organize a group buy with 100+ member. anyway i read your post about setting up a projector component store/ manufatcuring services I could say, I may donate with $500 such an activity if I can end up a _working_ wuxga controller. Be careful anyway with FLI59XX, since not all of them incorporates faroudja.

These guys might be a possibility. I have not had the time to contact them, but it looks like they may be small enough and hungry enough to bite if the potential market for what we want was clearly explained to them. I think they sell single units, and they might find the idea of being the single supplier of a combo that meets our requirement. They already carry 15.4 modules @ 1280 X 800.

http://www.millertech.com

wut we would like to have wuxga

Well, we would of course have to give them the specs of what we want - I just threw that in to illustrate that they are already 80% there. Maybe they just need a nudge to get them to go where we want...

unfortunately the panel's specs are not available for 'common' people we could have great achivement already if we could obtain the data sheets from sharp, lg-philips, auo, samsung

We should be able to tell them the panel(s) we want the controller to work with, and possible controller(s), and let them pay the programming costs since they would basically get a captive market.
I would like to see a Sunflower II controller on a wuxga screen, myself.

I was in chat with a lot of chinese/taiwanese 'possible wendors'. At first, the minimum #sku is 50, and you should deliver a panel to them for test purposes. so if you wolud like philips, sharp, samsung panels work, you should supply them a panel. I'm not rich enough to finance such a pilot project, however we may set up a deposit system similar what minoten did. however I feel we end up somewhere the price tag of the winmate controller.

Have you looked at this thread? http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/lofiversion...php/t15376.html

Sooo if I'm only doing VGA from my xbox 360, the carpow would be idea, right??

If only needing vga...it's hard to beat for 70. (and if better is required later, I imagine you can re-coup in TradingPost?).
I think it's a 'deal'...[and his pricing for panels in 15.4"-and-others are equally attractive...especially if unconcerned re: warranty].
WAY less than some resellers on EBay and elsewhere (half, actually)...
[He's reliable and honest, and 'like interested' to we-here -- the LL-community should support his business and groom him towards finding in-roads in the market/suppliers near him, and supply of ours...imo]

since no xbox.360 out there with DVI/HDMI carpow's thingy might be good. I have ordered one, because it's realitvely cheap and good enough to build my pj. later possibly i'll change the RTD controller to a genesis one, but i dunno.

I'll look-forward to your review...particularly re: it's video-quality, adjustments via any service-menu, and edge-handling/drop-down capability. [I understand there are others of these, flashed in semi-compatible fashion to our 10.6's...if you are impressed with the RTD-chipset/features, others may prefer them to the GM5221...if not caring about a digital-input]
Also ask as to his fresnels/polars/etc.

HapHazard i'm planning to go with 3Dlens, because of the 0.2mm groove pitch, my panel has 147dpi - as all the 15.4 wuxga's have, so it's important i feel. regarding the service menus i don't know anything. Actually I care about digital imput, but I'm so excited to have any image appearing on my panel however you know my mixed feelings about realtek gear

I have contacted Kotron about their controllers a few times and finally heard back from Randy.
Here is his reply:

Shane, I regret to inform you but we are not shipping any Kontron motherboards at this time, due to some accounting difficulties we have incurred. Please try working this directly with Kontron, this region is covered by Jeff Laskowski. Sorry for any problems this may cause you. Best of luck and once these issues are cleared up on All American's end I will be in touch.

Jeff's address = jeff DOT laskowski AT us DOT kontron DOT com

Regards -Randy

IS THE SPELLING WRONG?
Kotron, Kontron and the address?

company's name is kontron

Anyone looked into this option?

Embedded Computer

I know many of these boards are used in industrial applications and they drive LCD panels natively.

VGA and LVDS VBIOS supports diffused 18/24/48-bits TFT LCD.
Panel type selectable through BIOS setup.

Just a thought...

that would be sweet! The projector AND the media center all in one box!

They also make video cards for PC's like this:

MAG-7308-01 SDVO1 ADD2-card Single- and Dual Display LCD Controller Card for Embedded Applications

Features:

. Supports Intel Integrated Graphics Subsystem
(915G and 945G chipsets)
. High-speed, serial SDVO1, 1G-2Gbps input
. Low voltage interface support to graphics system
. Compatible with PCI-Express (X16) graphics
connector (ADD2)
. Utilizes X8 signals to provide Dual Independent
Head (DIH) graphics support
. Dual LVDS outputs, with dual channel on each
. Supports resolutions from VGA to HD (1920 X
1080)
. Uses standard HDD power connector for additional
+5.0V and +12.0V power.
. Supports 18- and 24 bit LVDS data mapping
. Dual +12V Output and configurable Enable Signal
for Inverter Control LVDS Signal Mapping
Compatible With FPD-Link
. Supports analog dimming through external
connector
. +3.3V, 5.0V and 12V Panel Power Support
. Custom EDID PROMs for system recognition of panel resolution and timing Still needs programming for LCD's, though - Developer's Kit, anyone?

. Requires customized Intel IEGD 5.0 Graphics
Driver for Windows XP Support2.
. On/Off Delay Circuit to properly power sequence
most industrial panels3.


Description: The MAG-7308-01 is a single- or dual LVDS LCD display controller compatible with the Intel SDVO1 ADD2
embedded graphics system interface. It is meant to reside in the PCI-Express x16 slot on 915G or 945G
enabled motherboards. It will support VGA to HD (1920x1080) resolutions. It supports single and dual-
independent-head applications. Each display head will support single and dual-channel LVDS with 18-bit
and 24-bit signal mappings. The LCD power is selectable from +3.3V, +5V and +12V. Dual inverter
connectors provide +12V inverter power along with configurable enable signals.

I have no idea of cost on this item, but Windows drivers are supposedly available for it...

See http://www.display-magic.com/MAG-7308-01A%20PB2.pdf for the whole doc.

Well Damn!
I thought this day would never come!
Shane an email you sent to Randy was forwarded back to Kontron and we actually got their attention. They tried to send it to shane AT computercowboy DOT com and my catch all grabbed it.
They said that the controller DOES SUPPORT HDCP. That is the official word, the price is $250 and we can order it in the states.

Now I just need to get $250 together to buy one of these bad boys.

So this Kontron controller will deff work with a 15.4 Sharp Wuxga??? And it will do everything we need it to?

Most of us would like to have a kontron CRT2LCD7-multimedia with HDCP, yepp. but look at the supported panels. none of our 15.4" LCDs are supported. You need a cable and fw support for your LCD. w/o that the controller is useless.

I just talked to my main man down there at Kontron and I am making arangements to send my panel down to them.
I will keep you guys posted.

Great. which panel do you have?

I'm starting down the road on my own 15.4" 1080p setup, and have purchased everything but the fresnels. On that topic, I see several approaches that are not pointing me to a single definitive answer, and I need some help.

I see that some people sound like they are using the 0.2mm groove pitch lenses from 3Dlens, while others are using the A395a and b lenses (0.5 mm groove pitch)...

The pinned "Official Summary 15.4 WUXGA thread" was last updated in October 2006, and says to use the A395a and b lenses.

Finally, one of the comments on the 3DLens site says that by using the 550mm FL lens they could move the light source further away from the lenses and LCD, to help with heat issues. Is this a good idea? With proper cooling, I would think that I could avoid heating issues pretty well.

What are YOU using with your 15.4" projector, and why?
- A395a and A395b (0.5mm Groove Pitch)
- F330 and F220 (0.2 mm groove pitch)
- F550 (0.2 mm groove pitch, but longer FL)

I just wanna get started...
~Archilea

LQ154W1LW2A

I was thinking if anyone else has a different model panel they want to send in post up here so we can get organized.
I have mentioned the possibility of sending in multiple panels with diff model #'s