Hey ChristmasGT nice job on your PJ.
I'm not 100% sure on this but i think you will have to post that question to Mr Huang as i think noone has purchased the G2A210 to be able to give you a definitive answer. Altho i would like to know the answer to that question as well. The real kicker i would like answered is, can i use the VGA and component with 2 input devices at the same time on the G2A210?
Because if not theres no reason for me to buy the 210 over the 130.

I contacted mr. huang, and he said that yes it indeed does support 1080p over Component, so just wanted to post that

Did we ever verify that 1080p should work over VGA on the 130?

A 1080p signal "might" work.

1920x1080 works from a computer for some but for some it doesn't. 1080p worked with a component-to-vga adapter from my Helios Dvd player. 1080p worked for a while from my Xbox 360 with VGA output, but when they updated the 1080p timings it stopped working. But 1080p from the 360 with a component-to-vga adapter works perfect.

So it's hit and miss. I guess it depends on what timings the device uses with it's 1080p signal.

So are you saying that the VGA in on the G2A130 accepts Y-Pr-Pb component signal?

Good info.

What component-to-vga adapter are you using.

I have a vdigi and the 360 vga cable; i am going to do some testing in the next few days.

Just a component-to-vga cable. VGA cord on one end red/blue/green rca's on the other. Like this one :

Yes.

Does this mean that a cable box with component outputs could display 480i, 480p, 720i, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p to the G2A over vga?

I just got my Minoten kit out of the box after a year of receiving it and decided to start testing it before stripping the LCD.
First, I tested it with an LG upscaling DVD player in both, 720p and 1080i modes using the VGA input with a home made Component to VGA adapter. The horizontal and vertical position adjustment is disabled in the component mode and had some horizontal timing problems.
I had the image shifted to the left by about a 1/4" at 720p and about a half an inch in the 1080 mode. Since there is no internal correction to this I will have to make a trascoder to recover the H and V sync from the green channel.
I have tested the panel with my computer at 1920 X 1200 and found a 1/4" black bar at the left and the right sides of the panel.
Also tested the controller from an HD satellite receiver using the DVI input. The best picture quality was obtained by using the receiver with 720p and upconvert with the G2A from 720p to it's native resolution.
So far I had the best picture quality from 720p Microsoft HD clips out of my computer. I will try to download some 1080 resolution clips from Microsoft to see how things function.

Well I did exactly that with my Dish Network 921 receiver. It worked in 720p and 1080i mode.

And my Helios upconverting Dvd player worked fine at 720p, 1080i , and 1080p that way.

Has anyone documented the menu options/remote selections for the controller board? Be nice to have a manual in the pinned topic. For example, how do I get 'full screen', etc.

Tonight I tested this.

1. xbox360† -> microsoft HD component cable -> VDIGI -> VGA cable -> G2A130*
results: 720p works and looks good. 1080i works, but every other line jiggles back and forth a pixel or two

2. xbox360† -> microsoft HD VGA cable -> G2A130*
results: all resolutions work except for 1920x1080, at 1080 it simply defaults back to 480p automatically

3. I am going to order a simple component-to-VGA cable like jonjandran has, and test this out, results to come in a few weeks


Now I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but while testing I found 2 very disturbing things.

The red xbox360 displays is washed out, and the black xbox360 displays is not exatctly black. I tested this with setup 1. and 2. on both my projector and viewsonic vx2000

This is PIP mode on the projector, xbox360 on left, dell laptop on right


This is PIP mode on the projector, xbox360 on left, dell laptop on right


This is a veiw of the hailed vx2000, excellent black levels, the top and bottom bars are true black, the middle is the "black" xbox360 displays (this is in 720p mode, letterboxed)


I can only assume the terrible black and red levels apply on regular TVs and HDTVs also. I am going to test on my roomates 47" CRT samsung rear projection now.

EDIT UPDATE: Tested with component HD cables strait into TV. I tried to take a picture but I am not good at taking pictures of TVs, so take my word for it. Black level was acceptable, but not as black as my VX2000, and red was very RED, I was quite impressed actually.

So now I am going to test the laptop through the VGA port on the G2A to see if that is the issue.
EDIT 2: I put the VGA and DVI output image from the laptop side by side in PIP mode, black was black and both reds were the same (my projector doesnt display red perfectly anyways, but it was still redder than the xbox360s red)

*Bought this from Dobie in November I think it was, this is not the original minoten controller.
† updated through xbox live to current version of the date of this post

It is in the pinned thread :

According to:
http://www.humanthink.co.kr/data/LG_Philips_LCD.PDF
it is 500>1 and 25ms...
Which of the Sharp offerings is same?

Just wanted to add something what is not mentioned in the controller guide: it is possible to flip the image by using the "A-B-A" button on the remote control.

Never-mind...another thread indicates that all the Sharp 15.4/wuxga's are 25ms (or course, that post also indicates the Samsung-ltn154ul as being 25, also...?).
At any rate, in communicating with Carpow...I just discovered he does also sell the Samsung ltn154's AND a controller supportive of 1080P/vga/component (no dvi/hdmi/hdcp) for 240. plus shipping (yes...apparently for 'both'!).
I am attempting to see if he'd care to test that RTD2533V+RTD2613w.audio controller-board for a Sharp/Philips panel and/or shoot me a price for those alternate-panels alone, and/or controller alone.
More later...maybe we should begin discussing a group-buy, so as to lessen the multiple-fees for WU-transfer/shipping (shipping is 38. for such a kit...same total-price as the also-very-interesting 10.6/controller package discussed elsewhere).
How many here with interest in such a dvi/HDCP-less controller? And--how many in kit of both panel/controller?
Anyone just interested in a panel-only price?
Comments...?
[I've been pondering the choice of a wuxga/15.4 sans-HDCP, or an 'interesting' 10.6...and, even with this price, I'm surprised to say that I still can't-choose --due to the optics/size/lamping options offered re: the 720P/10.6...!]
Also--I'm trying to nail-down info on his available other-parts/fresnels/lamps/etc. and perhaps an HDCP-board -- maybe someone has already done-that re: fres/lamp(s)?

HapHazard I would be interested in a controler ,I already have a panel.I would like to know the controler price and what comes with the controler.

I scaned that pdf 10 times and I can't find the specs for the LP154WU1 lcd anywhere in it .I also searched the web for over a week now and can't find any pdf with the specs for that LG panel becides this pdf http://www.lgphilips-lcd.com/homeContain/j...Philips_LCD.PDF

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=577032


IF thats true, i'm going to kill a newborn Penguin.

WTF does that leave me with my 360? anyway, doesn't mean its going to happen, just mean it..well sorta has.

You're right...on 'magnifying', it's the LP154wo1...not the wu1. However, all the Philips panels shown (save two/older 15"-jobs) are 25ms...
So, we are back to 'Sharp has the only _known_ 25ms-rate' (for gaming-purposes, however--both suk <g>, while for movies/tv 'who cares betwixt'?).
Regards controller-only...the kit-price of controller+panel for 238.+ship would apparently break-down to about 190.+ship for the LTN154UL-alone, and the controller costing about-50.+ship (what I've long-suspected these doo-dads were worth -- prior to our 'specialty-firm' mark-up's for a small-market). Again...these controllers may-or-not 'play nice' with Sharp/Philips, but do provide controller-function with vga&component for the Samsung (while not having dvi/hdmi). I'm asking for his help locating one which does (methinks that, unless ordered for export-purposes by a 'major', the industry there has 'scant-interest in paying licensing fees' for HDCP-compliance...<g>).
For 'large lots', Carpow can only offer small-discounts...so the primary benefit of 'grouping' would be some savings re: shipping (offset by 're-shipping/insuring') and money-transfer fee (offset by WesternUnion's progressive-fees). So, no great savings from group-buys -- although it would be nice if Carpow could eventually hook-up for either cheaper bank-transfers or PayPal.
In summary...its ridiculous to pay as much for non-HDCP controllers as for our wuxga-panels -- especially when we are still left 'to our own devices' for future HDCP-nonsense. If I were going with a local-or-imported Sharp (or other 15.4"-panel)...one of these sub-50. controllers would 'work for me', so long as they provide vga/component-input at full-res.
However...for a 10.6"-panel offering 720P+ _and_ more options for lighting/optics with a saner-sized PJ...for 238.-shipped...I may just 'shelve' lusting after the wuxga-Grail (until HDCP is more a 'known-devil', and smaller-panels and/or better pricing/refresh-rates pan out).
"Less may be more..." <g>

In keeping with that 'revised-intent', my stop-gap & un-used ProView 15.4/1280*800 (except for checking for dead-pixels--and, there are 'none') is available -- I'm going to list it in the TradingForum, if anyone is interested...

In this PDF : http://www.lgphilips-lcd.com/homeContain/j...Philips_LCD.PDF

It says the LG Phillips LP154WU1 15.4" 1920x1200 Lcd has a CR of 600:1 and a response time of 16ms.

I guess that is what LG Phillips is claiming and I guess we have to believe them unless proven otherwise.

HapHazard.. I want one of those controlers to test with my LG Philips LP154WU1 panel. I realy dont care about DVI unless theres HDCP anyways. Can you tell me how to go about getting one of those controlers please. You can pm me.

Just a FYI .

If anybody needs a DVI-to-DVI HDCP Stripper, there is a guy on the AVS Forums whose going to be offering them soon for $160.

He has sold them before and has a good reputation on the AVS boards.

Here is the thread :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=779887

I need a controller too. All I want to do is hook up my cable box and 360. I've got a 15.4" WUXGA 1920x1200 Samsung LTN154U1-L01 that is ready to go in a great pj (my first one) and I'm tired of projecting a big white square on the wall. Who can I send money to?

For reasons-stated, I'm unlikely to 'do' a group-buy (although I'll be placing an order shortly for myself). I don't know who best to 'steer you to'...since Carpow has, to date, only been dealing with a few who e-mail him and he has (as yet) not established a 'convenient' or proper way for transfer of funds (technically, apparently, WU is not meant for 'commercial transactions'--at least, in China).
In the small-format forum here, many are/will-be placing orders that you could get 'in on' (alternately, I suppose, you could piggyback mine...although I'm not keen on incurring a lot of responsibility for others when I hardly know the guy myself). I'll try to 'get through language barrier' enough to ascertain whether he's 'open' to a bunch of seperate/individual small-orders or not...if he is, I'll soon post here/elsewhere and give him a 'promotional boost'...
Or, PM me, and we'll try to address what sounds like an 'immediate need'...<g>
Also...these controllers are likely NOT as full-featured as some being discussed/spec'd previously in this thread for 15.4's...as far as I know. I mean, presumably they 'work' and work-fine, but may or not have the bells/whistles/quality of the others (albeit that should be no great-disappointment, considering the major pricing-diff!). <g> What I'm saying is: I can't endorse something I've personally not evaluated.

And...I don't want responsibility for this-type delay in shipping from China:
http://www.micom.net/oops/LostMyJobToday3.jpg
Click to view attachment

Any updates with the Kontron folks? I'd be willing to be a guinea pig on this new controller as it looks to be better value for the money compared to the Winmate, even without HDCP. The Faroudja deinterlacer looks particularly interesting to me-- AFAICT, the Winmate uses different technology for scaling/deinterlacing, and from what I've read the Faroudja chip produces the best-looking results. I'd be interested in the Kontron controller if for no other reason than not having to upgrade to an upconverting DVD player like the Helios or Oppo

I notice that the K2 version he is selling is $270, wheras the K3 version is $470.

LG Philips LP154WU1 LCD 15.4" WUXGA LCD YC475 B GRADE US $149.00 Jan-27-07 14:30:05 PST

LG LP154WU1-A1K3 15.4 WUXGA LCD SCREEN US $468.97 Jan-17-07 15:57:01 PST

LG LP154WU1-A1K3 15.4 WUXGA LCD SCREEN US $468.97 Jan-17-07 17:09:37 PST

NEW LP154WU1(A1)(K2) 15.4" WUXGA LCD SCREEN US $269.00 Feb-04-07 22:26:41 PST

Wondering how different they are.

There are no differences . The A! and K2 are just designating what laptop they are replacements for. Like different Dell laptops , etc. The higher priced ones probably are for newer laptops hence the higher price. They like to trick people that way

I have read somewhere on the forum that a dell monitor's controller (of same resolution) could be used to control the 15.4" WUXGA panels listed.

I for one am skeptical, but if I could find a cracked Dell 2407WFP for cheap (less than $100) I'd be willing to buy it, strip it and ship the controller it to someone with a good 15.4 panel for testing.

Discuss! -->

If that controler would work that would be awesome it has HDCP. I would test it with my 15.4 in a heartbeat.

i will test it
i don't have a controller yet

Test it please. But I did pm that person who mentioned using a dell 2407fpw's board for a 15.4 wuxga. He said it was just an idea. I let him know that the post he/she wrote was written in such a way, it kind of states it does work. That's why that persons post has been edited.

so how do we get the controller board for it. I wonder if dell would sell that controller. hmmm.....

x2gen was willing to sell me parts, i don't know if i have the patience (or time) to call dell

It seems that dell 2407FPW monitor uses a samsung LTM240M2 and LTM240ML2 panel. I'm wondering if it would be possible to flash the firmware on that controler to support our 15.4" panels even if it dosen't work right out of the monitor. I'm sure theres some Serious tech GURU's on these forums that might figure out a way.

I'd agree it's 'possible' to do many-such hacks/mods (but doing-so, successfully, requires a very-specialized expertise, methinks). The fact that some controllers used to-date also work for similar/other panels (and the apparently-true rumor that the 10.6/Samsung controller from Carpow [who also believes that his remarkably-inexpensive RTD2533V+RTD2613-controller would also work for other 15.4-panels] works with smaller-panels as well) lends to the notion.
As more 'modders' start to play with these items and disseminate-info, I think many options will open-up shortly.
A couple of experts in related-fields who're in the 10.6 threads are looking into modding that also-cheap controller for it to 'live up to it's chipset' by syncing and/or component-input/transfer...also 'interesting'.
At any rate...those controllers from Carpow are great candidates for 'taking risks with'...<g>
Also...I've no-doubt, after trading a few e-mails with him, that Carpow is in a good-position (or will be soon) to find us a good-deal on reasonably-priced controllers for many-panels (and price the panels lower than EBay)...with whatever inputs/HDCP/other-features we lust-after. It's long 'past due' that this community 'goes to the source' for these items, anyway (I hate being the one to line/pad the pockets of these 'specialty importers' in the US who, thanks to a limited-market, seem to want to triple/quadruple their investment for their-own 'contacts' in China). I'm hoping Johnzo, or 'someone', really gets going with the process of making orders from China better-defined and easier...we'll all benefit here.

Thanks for the response.

Have PJ up and running and I'm looking to improve brightness if possible. Here's set-up and what I've done. If you see any gaps or have some suggestions, please advise.

Screen: Da-lite 108" Hi-power
Mirror: LL FS mirror
Triplet: LL Pro (have 18" Beleser avail)
LCD: Sharp 15.4" WUXGA W02 model (have spare W12)
Rear reflective films (2) removed
Anti-glare NOT removed (wouldn't budge after 20 hrs soak). Used polish
Fresnel: LL 650 mm front and 220mm rear (unsplit) 18mm gap between.
Lamp: Philips CDM 150W/TD/942
Reflector: LL Pro
Ballast: Advance 250W mag coil
HDTV signal: Component from set-top box to VGA on controller board.

Laser alignment of all components from center of screen back to reflector. Haven't fiddled with any controller board settings.

Throw is 14.5 feet. Rear wall is still white so I know I'm getting some reflection off of the screen to the wall and back to the screen. Will paint with darker paint.

Sounds good (and I'd like to hear comparison between current-Pro and the 18"/457mm).
Is lamp in vertical position? Can you vary lcd/fresnel distances, and/or try a longer-FL condensor-frez?
[Not to 'advise it', but if trying to improve brightness on such, I'd be sorely-tempted to remove all-layers 'by any means necessary'<g>, and go with replacement ultra-or-super-contrast polarizers...]

PJ is in an inverted vertical and I can vary the distances. Haven't tried a condensor lens and I don't know how to go about picking one. What advantage would a longer FL rear fresnel provide? I've seen where some have used a 330mm lens, but I thought it to be a matter of availability.

Screen is the hi-power 2.8 gain; so I don't think there's anything better for the price.

Removing current polar and replacing sounds intriguing. It would be no problem to peel the polar from the panel. Yet I know nothing about replacing the polar -- choosing, affixing, orientation.

bevo77 I'm curious as to why you switched from the 400W lamp to the 150W ?

Primarily to reduce heat and noise. Wherever the PJ was, the room got hot and fan noise was noticable. Elken's results looked impressive.

I'd hold on this...for about a week.
Not only has some more communication with Carpow taken place, but I'm negotiating (or trying-to<g>) with 4-other mainland or HongKong suppliers for varied-other controller and/or controller/panel 'kits'...and trying to find 10.6/15.4 options inclusive of the features we want (all-inputs, sync-on-green, flipping, etc.) and 'maybe' HDCP...and also favorable pricing on non-Samsung 15.4's.
In less than a week, I'll know of other-options...hopefully.
To that end -- is there a 'wish list' that most-here would consider 'consensus' regards a wuxga-controller (and/or controller for 1280*768/10.6" panel)?
[HDCP may-or-not be an option regards an inexpensive import-model, but I already know that we can get a more full-featured unit than that one mentioned before from Carpow -- albeit not quite as cheap...]

General FYI

For those interested in the G2A210:

It is now the G2A220 and Dobie finally has the kits together and ready to ship...

I can get 15.4 wuxga kits with controller for under $325. The lcd is samsung. The controller has VGA and component and does take 1080p. I will post the specs later tonight.

Can somebody please check out this link for me. I cant seem to find a price for it but its probably the perfect controller for our panels.


http://www.vmlabs.com/products/FLI5961-FLI...962-PBR-01B.pdf

Canada
Toronto Area

Kaltron
2 Director Court, Suite #105
Vaughn, ON L4L 4S5
Telephone: 905-264-3968
Fax: 905-264-3975

Another FYI

Dobie said the bosses have raised the shipped cost of the G2A220 to $425...

He did honor his earlier quote on mine...

Nice of him...<g>

Haphazard, have you spoken to carpow about the 15.4 kits. Im going to get the spec tonight and post them. I trying to work out pricing with him. Im going to buy 1 15.4 kit for review when I do another 10.6 load next week.

The 15.4 uses the samsung panel and if its the same qaulity of the 10.6, its should be good.

I seen how much they were selling for in china, and off tee top he raised the price 100 yuan and wanted more for shipping, oh well, still very cheap. Im saying the price might be about 325, I dont know yet.