Good to know I'm not the only one.

This is what I got today from the guy I talked to yesterday on the phone.

Jerry,

I checked with our Product Managers and will not be bringing in the CRTtoLCD-7 anytime soon. Unfortunately, your best bet would be to try and get this part from Germany.

Best Regards,

Huan Trang
Inside Sales Engineer

It's good to know that Computercowboy is on the job

Mystic

I just got my Dell/Sharp panel in today....i think if i stare at it hard enough itll start to work

this what what he sent me on Wednesday:



One thing that I find interesting is that Mystic seems to be talking to someone at Kontron corporate. When I called corporate they directed me to the distributor right away.

Probably right, just some @#$% that does'nt want to waste his time unless he is selling like 10,000 units.

I just bought another sharp panel since I broke the last one cant wait to have a controller to hookup to it

next on the list Eye Cera Arc 400watt light & ballast, it seem I am always waiting for the parts to become abailable lol

Mystic

Well,

we could always send a panel to Germany, and then buy it from there.

Shipping is not that expensive. Maybe $10.

I have a question about the 1280x800 resolution on most 15.4 LCD monitors. Obviously, if I built a projector with one of these and had it hooked up to a computer, playing movies or games wouldn't be a problem (I'm talking aspect ratios here). A 720p movie would just have a little bit of black on the top and bottom and I'm sure I could get many PC games to run in that resolution.

My question concerns other devices like DVD players or consoles (HD ones like the 360 specifically). If I hooked a 360 up to the D-Sub input on this screen, would the (720p) image be stretched virtically to fit or could I get the correct aspect ratio with little black bars on the top and bottom of the image? (I would prefer the latter) I don't really know much about how external devices upscale or stretch images to fit screens, so I would like some info on that please.

Thanks.

Edit: I could always get a true 1280x720 screen, but it looks like there is only one that works... and I like the specs on the X2gen MW15A better.

It would be stretched , but it would be so minimal I doubt you would notice it.

I have seen pics and it is not noticeable

Unfortunately the Kontron in Pittsburgh does not deal will flatpanel controllers, only the main headquarters does. I will look to see if there are any distributors in the area that sell the crt-lcd-7-multimedia. Keep up the good work trying to get these controllers fellas.

Alright the time has come. I don't have enough time, being self employed, to give Kontron the proper amount of harassment. That being said here is the contact info for my sales guy in Mass.

I want you all to blow up his F%@$ing phone!

Randall Fallis

617-620-2851 (cell)

978-470-0444 (office)

100 Burtt Road - Andover, MA 01810

fallis AT allamerican DOT com

If you want you can say you are with Computer Cowboy Inc. to make it sound more important (I own C. Cowboy Inc.)

Remember we want to know for sure that these boards support HDCP (otherwise we might as well just get the winmate)
We wan to know that they suport the sharps, toshies, sammys, and LGs

I have a Sharp Panel that I will gladly send in because it does me no good sitting on my shelf. So tell them we have one to send in.

He mentioned that some guy named Geoff Kurowsky would know what the deal was, so maybe pump him for some info about this guy.

Tell the guy we want a decent volume of boards and maybe a free test board. We can do a group buy there is a lot of interest.

Lets make this thing happen!

(to be fair I split up his email address to help him not get hit by spambots)

Ok, I've been reading, building and waiting. I now have a week off from work and I need a controller board for my pj. I have the sammy 15.4" lcd and it's ready to go in the box but before I start mounting things I want a controller. I don't want to spend a ton of money but I need the 360 Red Green and Blue wires, coax, S-video, and RCA cables to plug into it. What should I buy? Who do I send money to?

If you gotta have it now call this guy:

Dobie Huang
Business Development Manager
AMERICAN INDUSTRIAL SYSTEMS, INC.
1768 McGaw Ave.
Irvine, CA 92614
Tel: 888-485-6688 x460
Direct: 949-681-7460
Cell: 626-203-7977
Fax: 949-251-8697
Email: dhuang@aispro.com


If you want to help the cause call the people from my last post and tell them you want this now.

So does the G2A210 support 1080p (say from a 360) over component?

The 210 isn't supposed to be available for the Sharp 02 until December...was this confirmed or is it available already?

I am willing to go out of my way to buy (or wait for something that uses component instead) a product that doesn't use HDCP if I can use component now for a 1080p signal. Is everyone that set on waiting for a HDCP compatible or can we use 1080p with our Sharp 02s now? I know it is available over VGA but I would like the best quality picture.

Ok, so at this point I've spoken to two Kontron offices. The Kontron office in Pittsburgh said that the only way we could get the CRT-to-LCD7-Multimedia was if we got it through the CA office. This is old news.

I just got off the phone with the CA office, and he said that the cards are available in Germany, but not in the US. (Also old news.) He said that it is policy to take minimum orders when the part isn't available domestically.

What's NEW to me, is that when I asked him what the minimum order size was, he said "about 10". That's not bad at all. It should be fairly easy to get that many people interested in a group buy.

That sounds great, I'm interested, but have we confirmed the HDCP yet? Sorry if I've missed it above, finals week wears you down....

if we can get a final spec nailed down and the cost with all the necessary electronics id be in

Yes, ten is a very nice, manageable number. Did you get a quote for how much ten would cost? I think I'm going to give them a call tomorrow if I don't get drunk directly after my last exam.

What are all the pieces we'd need for sure in the kit? Controller, OSD board/cable, anything else? maybe remote?

I just talked to Randy Fallis, and so far I am the only one that has called, he said he would be talking to his technical people about the crt-lcd-7-multimedia controller (they want to make sure that the HDCP portion will work with our application) and will be talking to Computer Cowboy tomarrow about it.

He also said the controller with everything that we need COULD be under $300.00, but as always beleive it when you see it

Mystic

Excellent, thank you very much Mystic. If that's true, it will go a long way to keep me at my target goal of ~$1200-1500 before shipping/taxes/duties.

Just thought i would chime in here, been reading up a lot, interesting in doing a wuxga PJ, but want to build for the future, just curious, any more information computercowboy? and anyone have an info on prices and availability of a HDCP stripper if the kontron thing falls through?

And while i am here asking lots of questions, since the pro kit is currently out of stock would going with the 18 beseler triple and buying all the other parts separate be as cheap?

Oh... and one more thing, the only thing i am somewhat still in the dark about is the best way to go about providing power to the lcd, controller and fans, if anyone has a wire diagram (which i am probably just missing somewhere) that would be amazing

The controller that you buy ie Wingate, Kontron, etc will provide your power to your LCD, as the controller will have an adapter to plug into the wall. Your fans can be powered by the kit sold from lumenlab or you can modify a pc power supply to fit in your case, or you can wire up adapters you have sitting around collecting dust.

what ist the best LCD from the postet LCDs? Are there meanwhile different LCDs?
Each 1920x1080/1920x1200-LCD interests me. Even if they with the Minoten CONTROLLER do not function. Please write all LCDs with 1920xX-resolution in the list.

Is there a source for this LCD?:
http://www.sanyo-epson.com/e/newsroom/061017_3/index.html
7" and 1920x1080-FullHD!
I can use it with the ~$263 Kontron LCDtoCRT7 (the best Version with Faroudja DeInterlacer).


Info: I have called Kontron in Hamburg.
The LCDtoCRT7 is to be sold in the middle of the next yearly with HDCP. He comes reliably with HDCP!
Now they have not HDCP (Also whom it in a pdf stands)!

I really wish people would stop asking about this.

It is "under development". It's not available yet.

So it the Kontron available right now in Germany without HDCP ?

I need it for another project in mind. $263, that's in US dollars ?

BTW, you might want to use 17 inch WUXGA, the glossy ones. They are latest technology so I assume they are better than the 15 inches.

Hmmm... Even without HDCP, that makes Kontron the cheapest European supplier.

@jonjandran
I have read that it was available at the end of this year :-( .


@harvey

The LCDtoCRT7 is already for some months available.
But still without HDCP.
The price for the best version with Faroudja DeInterlacer (and many analog inputs) amounts to here in Germany approx. 200 euro. Those are approx. 263 dollar.

17" is the best i can use? Hmm, is very big (which big objective?). Is there a data sheet with Timings etc. (for the Cotroller)? Which devices have these 17 " - LCD (the cheapest source. Also naked, if cheaper)?

I will use this 7"-Full-HD-LCD. When could that be available?
Is there no little FullHD-Alternative?

I'll be in on the group buy if it works for the sharp lq154m1l panel.

if its an add on board to the controller - may still be worth getting and then get the update when it becomes available (if we are talking months away)

I just bought a Beseler 18" EF for a 15.4" build (firstly, with a ProView) -- but will climb-aboard a group-buy _if_ you need one-more for the group...(I'll watch-thread).

Question, re: any 15.4"-format PJ...I've been following the 150w thread for ceramic-bulbs/ballasts with 'interest' (and leaning towards a 250w, when available/spec'd). Anyway, early in (and throughout) that thread, reference was made to the 'poor performance' of a 220mm fresnel as condenser...namely the 220/.5mm one that comes with the LLProFres set. There are adequate-sized fresnels available from 3dlens.com (in both .2 & .5mm) in 220 & 330mm FL for condenser, and [for field] 550mm FL in .2, also. And, this 610 (no .2/.5 pitch indicated), [hxxp://www.surplusshed.com/pages/item/l3656.html] -- as well as the LLPro/650/.5.
Anyone speculate as to 'best combo' of these for a 15.4"? Would the 220mm/.2 fare better than the 220/.5, and, if so, would it be 'good practice' to mix .2 and .5 re: condenser/field? And (other than 'throw') would there be any advantage re: the 650/610/550 (in the .2/.5) for a field-fresnel with an 18" EF?

As far as HDCP...I have a Momitsu 880dx, which (like the Helios and some-others) can output over multiple-outputs to a PJ and defeat the copy-junque. The new/networked 888N will also accept Inputs from multi-sources, then feed a connected PJ with 1080P...no prob (and can pixel-by-pixel tailor the output--including for a 15.4" 1280 X 800 via vga-cable -- and including porch-values, as can my 880). Others must have this capability...although I wouldn't hazard a guess as to whether a blue-ray/hd unit would output to such at 1080P after a 'handshake'...? [Anyone more-familiar?]

Computer Cowboy,

Did Randy call you yesterday?

Mystic

no
i got an email from him that with a link to the pdf that we have all looked at

going around in circles again

I have talked with Randy on the phone many times and it is the same thing.

He wants to sell it but he doesn't know anything about it.
Frustrating.

I am glad i have the x2gen panel for now. I can wait on this for as long as it takes at this point.

Well, I hate to say it, but does anyone want to take the bullet for the team and just buy one of these outright and test it for us? If this Randy guy is that eager, maybe we can cut a deal on the first one for the would-be tester, with the promise of a group buy? I dunno, just throwing ideas out there. Unlike cc, I don't have a projector to tide me over, getting very anxious for a resolution at this point.

edit: no pun intended

id test it out, but i dont think 10people would test on a whim

I live in Northern California.

I called both South and North Cal office. Left message. Noone bothers to call me back.

I tried to call the Eastcoast guy. The phone carrier say he does't take any call.

I'd be willing to test it if it does infact have HDCP. If not, i have the controller from winmate that I am going to use until HDCP is available.

I'd probably buy it, but I don't even know if he knows how to sell it.

Well a transcoder "black box" can be had on ebay for ~$90. It is DVI (w/ HDCP) > VGA.

I have seen screenshots on AVS and you can't tell the diff between direct DVI and DVI into box VGA out to monitor.

I might just get one of these + the winmate controller.

I don't event have anything with HDMI / HDCP out right now and I am not using the Sharp panel yet so I am not in any huge hurry. I don't even have my PJ working yet.

I was going to finish it this weekend but I got off on a code writing marathon instead. (something I actually know how to do, unlike PJ building)

Hey there, I'm going to convert to 1080p soon, for the plethora of features, (ridding myself of that horrid N6 is the main one)

I'm going to pick up the G2A210 for its Component input (which if I understand is Component to VGA cable?)

and i'm looking into an LCD hoping that one like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-15-4-LCD-WideS...1QQcmdZViewItem


will work fine, is that pretty much all I need? I'm going to be doing alot of research and hope to have everything set up by the end of January.

do the WUXGA's do any type of Aspect ratio control? like if I fed it a 4:3 image would it put black bars around it?

Thanks in advance guys!

The sharps are the only ones that are garanteed compat by winmate iirc
that said the sammy should work.

The G2A210 has an actual component input.

The controller controls the aspect ratio so it will be the same for all Wuxga Lcd's you use with it. Which means you can choose the black bars or choose to have it fill the screen.

Oohhh Christmas Likes this.

Alright, going to try and remember to call tomorrow and force a conclusion to this konron business. I would be supremely shocked if they were stupid enough to list a feature like hdcp on their site without actually supporting it, but stranger things have happened in the world of corporations. Hopefully I shall see tomorrow.

Anyone look into these, as yet:
http://www.horizontechnology.com/controlle...ComponentDetail
and/or their kit-offerings?
I'm interested in any multi-input controller compatible with diverse 15.4" panels...if 'cheap' via group-buy. To my thinking, HDCP is just not 'critical' when so many scalers and multi-input-players allow defeat of the 'copyright issues' and 1080P-display.
Also this-outfit may have good deals on refurb-or-used lcds for our projects:
http://www.blisscomputers.net/LTN154U1-L01...creenrepair.htm
[anyone familiar?]

i was looking around a little this morning for controllers and came across a couple that i wanted to see if anyone had looked into. I couldn't find any info on the site as to which panels are supported, but this one says it supports HDCP and utilizes Faroudja processing as well. the URL is http://www.gnss.com/prod_lcd_mon.phtml and its the Oak FLI59XX board. Has anyone looked into this board?

This genisis controller also looks promising. Hopefully either this or kontron will actually have HDCP and have someone willing to work with us to drive our 15.4 in displays.

guess i should have looked closer - its just the controller chip - if we could find a board based on this chip it would be just what we're looking for I think

Wow! 10 pages of posts and we still havent accomplished anything. Does the controller have HDCP or NOT or do we need an alternative. My entire PJ plans depend on this thread. Let us read something new COWBOY!!

I, for one, still hope to see results from a quest (within this thread, or elsewhere) for an _affordable_ controller for now-cheaper 15.4" wugxa-panels...minus HDCP, but with multi-inputs.
Why, exactly, should we 'care' about HDCP-inclusion? [Can we discuss that a little-more -- before any 'group-buy'?]