Too much money. Isn't the tosh the one with the crappy 40ms response time?

If I pay that much money I better get HDCP

This panel has a 300:1 CR and a 35ms response time.

like I said not worth it. I got a sharpie for $214 shipped with 600:1 and 25ms. That leaves me $581 to buy a controller and beat that price.

Sharp screens only have 400:1 contrast.

my mistake but still don't you think that kit is a bit steep?

Yep, but I'm just throwing out options here

Still no official word back from Kontron on panel support or HDCP. I talked to the sales guy at All American in MA on Friday at around 2pm and he said he was waiting on word from the engineers. It looks like this is a really new product. They are adding pannel support as they go.

Has anyone ordered from here before? There are no specs for the panel, but £400 for the panel and controller seems a pretty good deal in the UK (panels are around £150 from ebay, which leaves £250 for the controller plus shipping from the US). No HDCP though.

just picked up my WUXGA panel....now i just need a controller

Which is why I believe we should all boycott all things HDCP.

The documentation for the Kontron controller says that it supports HDCP over DVI

Boycotting HDCP won't do anything at all. It is here so we have to live with it.

I wouldn't go so far as to say we're powerless against the all mighty content providers. DVD Jon and the like have proven time and time again this not to be the case.

I'm just finishing up my first semester of a computer engineer college course. Co-ops are coming up soon, and I figure a projector better than what is commercially available might give me a bit of a leg up. The only reason I'm concerned about HDCP is so if I'm demoing it to someone who happens to have an HD-DVD/Blu-ray player I don't look like an idiot.

I've already seen a Blu-ray movie ISO on torrent sites, and there's a good dozen or more 1080p/i movies floating around without DRM that I know of. If this were for strictly personal use, I wouldn't care, to be honest.

But then again, I don't own a console or standalone player, so that might just be me.

P.S. don't underestimate the power of the consumer. We all switched to downloading music, and it's forced an entire multi-billion dollar industry to change it's entire distribution chain.

I hope this is not too far off topic, but I spied the 14.1" Sharp LQ141F1LH02 1400 x 1050 panel at the web site provided above (Solar Technologies). This would go perfect in my current system and bring me up to HD quality. It would also allow the use of the standard lumenlab kit, and it costs about $40 on ebay.

Does anyone know anything about this. It looks like it has fcc problems, but I assume that can be fixed with extension ribbons. Is there a controller that will work with this?

Ok so us DIYers all stop buying HDCP products (most of us don't anyway) that won't even put a dent in the market. You think we can make an impact on the hugely popular HDTV market. It is not going to happen. I will either get an HDCP stripper box or a controller that supports HDCP and call it a day. If I have to get an HDCP stripper I'll pirate $300 worth of blu ray or hddvd movies to settle the score. DRM sucks but that doesn't mean I am not going to watch HD content on my HD projector just to prove some sort of futile point to no one.

ARGH! This is getting worse and worse the more I read... my timing is horrible. I get the G2A130 and panel and THEN find out that I most likely won't be able to do a lot of the stuff with it I was hoping to do. I knew of HDCP for example, but didn't really look it up much. What a brutal standard! I'm gonna start talking like a hippy soon (with THE MAN getting me down and all...)

I can't believe that the 1080p update STOPS the 1080i signal! BRUTAL. Why would they do that? Isn't there some way to get a DVI connector for XBOX? Component to DVI maybe? Closest I could find was this, but I didn't realize there were two DVI standards. DVI-I and DVI-D. Do we know which the G2A130 supports? I don't have a 360 yet, but I plan to go Wii60 next year. (PS3 can wait a year or two..... at least). I suppose a VGA->DVI or Componant->DVI adapter wouldn't really work?

This is brutal news. By the time I get a 360, this update will probably be standard.

That won't work. DVI-I is just like a sort of souped up VGA cable.

i believe DVI-D has four more pins on the connector compared to regular DVI, so you cant even use a DVI-D cable on a regular DVI port

You can use a Vga-to-Dvi scaler, but the ones that do 1080p are about $700.

Yea we need a better solution with the Hdcp HD age upon us.

Conformity.

All I was trying to point out was that if you plan to get all your 1080p content from a computer like me, HDCP is a moot point, IMHO.

Also, I was speaking more in generalities. I just wanted to show consumer choice can make an impact.

With the 1080P XBOX360 update, CAN you SWITCH between 1080i and 1080P? And if you can will 1080i still work with the G2A??

You can't sitch between 1080i and 1080p through the VGA cable. It is 1080p only and doesn't work with the G2a.

With component inputs you can switch between 1080i and 1080p but only 1080i will work.

Ok, thanks for clarifying!

That is not entirely true. The software players for HDDVD and BluRay will reportedly require HDCP compliant video cards and monitors. There may (and probably will) be some nice software players from indivduals that will run these discs without those requirements, but they will be illegal because they circumvent copy protection. There will probably also be hacks that can be done to PowerDVD or WinDVD for example that will allow full HD playback without specific hardware.

Ahh but that's what I love most about most AVIs one finds, they don't tend to have those kinds of restrictions...

If you hear back from the Kontron folks and this does turn out to be a better deal than getting a G2A130 kit, then I'd be very interested in being included in this group buy.

Just repeating what JJ has already pointed out: make sure we get all the necessary accessories (OSD panel, remote control, AC adapter, etc.) that are included with the Winmate kit.

To think that today I almost ordered a G2A130 controller... one of the main reasons I'm building my projector is to play Gears of War in 1080p... thanks all for the heads-up on the X360 update!

I would've thought that having an HDCP equipped video card would be enough. Looking into this it seems that it will be enough, if you are using an analogue monitor, but only until 2010...

HDCP compliant video cards - yes required (pretty much takes a new card to run 1080p anyway)
HDCP compliant monitors - not required til 2010 (when Hollywood implements ICT)

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html...W50aHVzaWFzdA==

So everyone with the G2A130 only has the option of upgrading to the G2A210 if they want to use their Xbox in 1080i/p? I have the G2A130 right now and was going to try a VGA HD cable for the 360 but that sounds like it isn't 1080i or p. Have I read all of this right?

I will make sure to get figures on the whole deal. I probably won't buy it at all if there is no HDCP. If it has no HDCP I am just gonna get the G2A130.

Why don't you save us then Neo, you are "The One"

You can use the G2A130 with a component-to-Vga cable out of the 360 and get 1080i.

But currently there is no way to get 1080p with the G2A130.

Are you saying it will work with the G2A210 ?

I own a G2A130, not the G2A210 so I can't give any input on the G2A210, sorry about the confusion. How does the Xbox 360 look at 1080i Jonjandran? My PJ is one weekend away from being finished, I just haven't had the time to work on it lately.

Sounds like I may have my 130 going up for sale real soon, and heck, haven't even used it yet.

On a side note, I still can't find Lexan thicker than .023 inches, is that what you used, the .023"?

1080i looks wonderful but 1080p looked better.

I used the XL-10 Lexan from Home Depot. But I don't use any now.

If the Kontron controller does support HDCP, I'd be interested in getting in on a group buy as well.

I am having some dificulty getting much info out of them. I have a sales guy down there who is eager to sell them to me but since it is such a brand new product he doesn't really know crap about it. When I call him he is "still waiting on a response from the engineers" I should have called him today but I forgot.

I will call them tomorrow. I am going down that way in a couple weeks perhaps I will drop in on them.

Hmmm... do we know if this is a hardware limitation or a software (ie: firmware) limitation? Has anybody tried contacting Dobie yet? If not, I'll drop him a line, although there always seems to be something lost in translation.

Arlo

Seems more like a compatibility thing to me. I was just reading an article tonight where the dude had his 360 hooked up to his DLP via VGA no problem with 1080p.

Seems to me that 360 + new update = no 1080p w/ g2a

VGA is exempt from HDCP, for the time being. Because of older analogue HDTV's.

If it pans out to be a suitable board i would be interested in getting in on a group buy as well. I've been lurking around for a couple months here, and have purchased all the parts other than the controller was just about to order the G2A as well - but i'll wait to see how this controller works out.

After looking at all these posts and getting nothing as far as definate answers to my questions from the people at Kontron, I went on the website looking for a global sales office to try and see if I could just ship a panel to the closest office. After navigating the website I found they have an office in Pittsburgh, PA. More specifically an office that is 12 minutes away from my apartment in Pittsburgh, PA. If that office is willing to let me bring in the panel to test and not have to go through distributors, I will do so immediately.

Very Anxious to hear more from you Dan.

I called Kontron during lunch and talked to Haun about the crt to lcd-7, he said that they are available in Europe now and that they would not be available in the United States unless there is a demand. I told him that we wanted the controller for out projectors, his advise was for us to contact them.

So I guess we have to call them and let them know we want it and hope there is enough of us that does this to justify them selling it here, or find a person who is willing to do a group buy in Europe.

Mystic

That is wierd that they would say that. The distributor in MA said that he would be happy to sell them to me he is just trying to get the answers to my questions. He sent me an email today that said that I would be hearing from there SBC integration guru. Answers are comming, I have been working with these guys for a couple weeks now. It is happening. I have a good feeling about it.

It's a general rule of thumb when phoning any corporation that the first person you talk to never knows anything. If you're looking for any information that is not publicly available on their website, it's generally wise to ask for the first person's manager straight away. In other words, if they knew anything more than what was on the site, chances are they wouldn't be answering the phones in the first place. Obviously, this is more true the bigger the company, and less the smaller.

computercowboy has demonstrated this perfectly. It's taken him two weeks of phone tag to find out something as simple as what LCD panels work with their LCD controller, and it seems the only way he's going to get an answer is from a real techy. The last people you'll find answering the phone.

I knew it would go like that. I just keep calling a place untill I get answers. Actually Kontron has been good so far. I got in touch with corporate, they put me in touch with their local distro and the sales guy for the distro has been trying to get someone back at Kontron to give me answers. I knew the info was not going to come easily. I know now that they will make the controller work with this panel just like winmate did. What I also know is that HDCP is an option. What I don't know is how much the full package will cost with HDCP and all the extras.

What I did was call the number on the data sheet ,They ask me were I lived and directed me to Mr. Haun I told you guys what he told me He asked me for my Phone number and E-mail address.

I really want this HDCP controller to pan out. The idea of having a WUXGA Projector and not being able to hook it up to an HD-DVD player and watch a movie in 1080P because of this stupid HDCP is not a pleasant feeling. I really don't want to use smoke and mirrors to make it work.

I am very greatfull to Computercowboy for putting in the time and effort to get this far. I check this thread 1st thing in the morning and last thing at night for any new info.

keeping my fingers crossed that this pans out.

Mystic

If it turns out to be something where we need to show some sort of mass intrest to get it then I figure I will just post the distributors phone number here and we can all just flood them with calls. If I don't get some answers soon I am gonna do that and then we can just blow up their PBX system.

I am an impatient person. Now that it seems that I am close to some answers I am extra impatient.

This is great news! So far this is sounding very promising

Which panel in particular did you find they will enable the controller to work with? I know the Winmates work with the Sharp 02 and 12's, some have reported Samsung and Toshibas to work as well but I guess I'm mostly concerned whether they would support my Sharp 02. If they're prepared to support all the panels that work with the Winmate, that's even better

I'm anxious to know this as well. I'm trying to line up every single part before I start buying anything, and now that we seem to have found the perfect controller, all I need to know is a 100% confirmed to work panel model number, and I can start ordering things.

Also, I'll phone any number as many times as you think it will take to speed things along. I can't wait, either.

It seems that panel support is not an issue. They are just like winmate in so much as they want to make there product work for the customer. Also Kontron supports bios upgrading for panel support without sending the controller away. You just download a pnl file and install it. I want to know for damn sure that I can get a controller with HDCP support.




I hear ya. I just jumped in with both feet. Now that i am in I've been spending a bit more than I intended.