I bought cables that run straight out of the xbox but as component not composite? they are 19.99 there is another set similar that comes with the vdigi?
similar to this but microsofts version
http://www.allmediaoutlet.com/allmedia/pro...ampaign=froogle

Nope, just trying to help out. I'm still convinced that this is better than the N6 even with Faroudja's lowest offering.



Are you sure that it's not a per input setting. It may have enough memory built in that it will keep your settings for each input. Try settings for one input then switch to another and change them to different levels then go back to the previous input to see if they are independent of each other.
As for your output resolution it should never change from 1024x768 as that is what your monitor is.


For component output IMO you should get this Microsoft one I have seen them at KMart for $10 before so they are pretty cheap now or the one that came with the Vdigi then run a nice set of component cable from it to the ADS like the ones from Radio Shack that I linked to earlier.



peace

new cables seem to have fixed my problems other then the remote and losing all my settings after turning the unit off wish it wouldnt do that. but the picture looks good now. thanks!

I just ordered an N6 from mwave.
It's primarily for XBOXing I'll be reporting back on whether or not I like it. =D

It came out to be ~ $20 cheaper then newegg with this $10 coupon. Thanks to sjetski
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=890450

Sorry, if this has been answered about a million times, but what exactly is the relation between resolutions of the type: "1024x768", "800x600", etc. and "480p", "720p", "1080i" etc. ?

I see comments like this:
"If your monitor was a 480p display it would be all good but it is not it is a 1024x768 display and needs to fed that resolution." Huh? (768>480, isn't that good enough?)

"...You need a scaler to convert to your monitors native rez. Most commercial upscaling DVD players only scale to the resolutions of consumer televisions that have resolutions of 480p, 720p and 1080i. It is very, very important to scale to your computer monitors native rez…" Ok. Why is it very, very important?

My HDTV set top tuner box has selectable outputs. The 480p output seems to work pretty good on my projector, but when I switch it to 720p it bonks, and says "out of range" - even thoug the Hz values dsplayed are within the indicated operating range of the monitor.

Why can't I display a 720p output directly to my LCD display, set to 1024x768, but on my CRT monitor, set to 1024x768, I can?

Hey guys I got the N6 up and running. 1280x1024 output to my LCD. ...however it looks like all me games are only outputting from the XBX in 640x480. I enabled 480p, 720p & 1080i on the XBX. ...I'm using the M$ high Definition pack.

my games: Halo1, halo2 & knights of the old republic.

Is there a way to force these games into 1080i or 720p?

kthx m8s.

re resolutions. ...a simple google will answer this.

480p == 640x480
720p == 1280x720
1080i == 1920x1080

see the res size is the vertical height.

The games need to be able to support those modes in SW. Use google with "Xbox 720p" or "Xbox 1080i" to find the websites that list supported resolutions. There are only 20-30 games that support 720p and only 3-5 that support 1080i. They pretty much all support 480p but some only 480i. Check the link below.

Example list

the three boxes all only say 480p... but someone in these forums was talking about Halo2 in high definition. hrmmm.

any way to mod the games into higher res? 640x480 looks like ass.

Nope.


peace

delete

If it is JLo's then thats good, if its Kirstie Alley then well no so good, so who's are we talking about???

LOL I'm talking about the Master Cheif and cortana. (Halo)
tee hee

I was REALLY REALLY looking fwd to playing HAL0 1/2 in high resolution. this sucks!

edit: 2 days later
I'm running XBMC in 1080i baby!
for some reason 720p doesn't look too good scaled down, but 1080i looks great!

Since the prime use of the xbx in xbmc I'm very happy with the N6!
Now I can see where the ADS and V-DIGI would work great for finer IQ. But, this is good enough for me. For now.

I saw this from Sharp the other day and I was wondering if anyone had any experience with them. My thought is that if I get this I won't need a monitor and a converter right? Or am I jsut wishful thinking?

Jager.

Sorry link didn't go through with this.

http://www.sharpsystems.com/products/lcd_m...mu/details.asp#

something like that was my first idea... but you gotta pay attention to the contrast ratio and response time.

That sharp's specs are kinda lacking.

Hey guys, I was wonding if someone whos been keeping track of this thread could tell me what the current video scaling box of choice is? last time i was on it was the n6 but that was a long time ago, now im hearing stuff like v-digi, whats that? lol, could someone help me please?

Basically, I think the crux of the thread is this:

If you want standard definition sources such as DVDs and regular television and video games, then the TVBox9 has better quality output.

If at some point, you're interested in high-def signals from HDTV or video games, then you may want to consider the N6. N6 is most future-proof, but I can vouch that there are times when the quality leaves some to be desired, particularly with lower quality sources like satellite and cable TV.

V-digi and similar products are transcoders that simply convert the signal from one connection type to another, they don't scale the signal to your monitor's native resolution. Personally, I would avoid them unless you need the least expensive option.

if you're looking for a slightly higher end solution to the N6 look into the V-DIGI and ADS together.

They're mentioned quite a bit in this thread.
<grumble> tired of lazy people who won't take the time to read through the important threads </grumble>

OIE! My eyes hurt! I have read through this entire forum and it seems that most of you have an XBOX. I have a PS2 and would like to know what is the better box for viewing a PS2 and TV signal on my projector. It seems the two prefered boxes are the Viewsonic N6 and the Avermedia TV Box 9. I found this box by Ambry, how does it compair the the prefered boxes?


http://www.ambery.com/ambery/provitoxgaco.html

See Shrivel's post above, the same thing applies.



peace

I haven't been on the boards in quite a while.

update:
Xbox (480p,720p,1080i) --> Component out --> N6 --> Dell2001FP in 1280x1024 mode has been great.
I’m also running
XBox (480p,720p)--> N6-->CMV520D in 1024x768 mode.

I haven’t tried scaling any other devices, like a progressive scan DVD player or S-Vid source… but I’m sure it would look okay.

Drop me a PM if you have any specific Q’s …maybe I should post this in the Reviews Section.

Just one question.

I have an xbox, but i want to make sure the output is widescreen.

If i have a scaler, does this trick the xbox into thinking its connected to a widescreen tv. i already play dvds from the box in widescreen, but the games are all in 4:3 format.

Any clues to how to achieve this would be great, ive searched for the N6 in the uk but havent found anything, perhaps a tvbox9 would be as good. I currently use a XVGA2 for the xbox and would i connect this to the vga connection on the scaler, or buy a composite out xbox lead.

No it will not trick the XBOX as it has no way of knowing what it is connected to, that is why you have to set up the resolution outputs up in the dashboard, then when a game you play supports widescreen resolutions it will output it that way. If you want a game that is native 4:3 to play as widescreen you have to tell the N6 to add the black bars, just remember to turn them off for a true widesceen game or it will be to small.





If you bought something like the N6 you would not need the X2VGA any more as the N6 does the transcoding itself.
For your connection out of the XBOX use nothing but the HD component pack, this is the only way the XBOX will output HD games.(except for a X2VGA and a VDIGI, but pray your monitor has a good scaler)



The TVBOX9 does not support anything input over 480i, if you are looking to use the XBOX for all it's HD gaming glory you will have to hunt down a N6.




peace

Excellent, thank you....

Anyone know where the N6 can be purchased that post globally or for sale in the uk, ill ask in the global forum too.

google.co.uk turned up some hits.
Man you guys could really use a newegg.co.uk couldn't you?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B...4339849-0692445
http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/input-accessories/...-nextvision-n6/

edit:
SimJedi, would you reccomend the US version of the N6 to Euros? (NTSC & PAL input) I have some dutch friends trying to bridge the gap between NTSC and PAL devices. Is a good idea for them to pick up an N6 before heading home?
-thx

edit2:
Viewsonic vendors in UK. (usually a worthless list)
http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/UK/Where_to_buy/etailers.htm

ive found references to it, and places where they USED to sell it but i have searched for an hour and found nowhere in the UK that sells them.

Dammit

Now that you point this out it might or might not work as just the refresh rates (60hz NTSC, 50hz PAL) might make it incompatible. The specs don't specify what refresh rate it can input, but it outputs at either 60hz or 75hz. We here in the U.S. are able to input a 60hz signal and output to a 75hz one so it might work. They would not be able to use the tuner as it is NTSC only. Another thing is it can only accept a 576p signal and not a 576i one so they would have to get a DVD player that already has a deinterlacer. As for using U.S. products over there, as long as they used a monitor at the other end it probably would work. If they want to input SCART into it there are adapters you can get.


peace

Its been a while since I have been back to the forums, I have had my projector for almost a year now and have been using the N6 for a converter.

I saw that samsung has dvd players that play higher than 480p, (720p, 768p, 1080i).

http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/pr...DVD-HD941%2fXAA

the monitor I used was a LiquidVideo NEG A150X1, same as the CMV 1512 and 1515. My question is, can I take the HDMI output of hte DVD player and get it to the monitor (vga) and get a better picture than what my N6 is giving me?

I notice when I play a movie at 480p on my DVD player, there are still some jagged lines that appear. At the moment I'm not really interested in building a HTPC, just looking for another way around to get a clearer picture.

Thanks,

Boggs

No as the HDMI output is HDCP protected and you would need a monitor that is HDCP compliant, so far only some hdtv lcd tv's have this and no stand alone monitors have it.
The only solution on the market right now to turn a HDCP signal into a analog VGA signal is the Dtrovision DVI Link’s DVI digital to VGA analog converter, and it is a high dollar peice. Get it while you can.



Try setting your dvd player to output a 480i signal and let the N6 do the deinterlacing to see if it does a better job than your dvd player.


peace

That is a bit more than I would want to pay. So this would not work?

http://www.1394store.com/eshop/product.asp...d=92&pf_id=8015

I just saw it this afternoon. What exactly does the protection do? Is it the sinewave source that causes it to strobe?

Thanks for the info by the way.

Heres what I have:
http://www.supergooddeal.com/product_p/xtvs-tv1531r.htm

Fairly expensive, but I'm pretty happy with it.

Wow that's a first in seeing that kind of cable. If the HDMI port on the dvd player was able to output a analog signal it would work, just don't expect anything over 480p as the DVD Forum and Hollywood has deemed that no upconversion of dvd's can be performed over the analog domain with consumer dvd players, you will need a scaler to do so.

There is one player that can do so and the scaling has been disabled by a firmware update but it is possible to flash it back to a working solution. There is a thread on it over at AVS that can tell you more. This one is truly a get it while you can because they are yanking them off the market!
By the way, it is only over component outputs so you would still need a N6 for pixel perfect scaling, or you could use the Vdigi and hope your monitor has a good scaler, just remember the more you fool with the signal the more you degrade it. A one-time scale is the best.

Upconverting DVD Player Options/Impressions
Zenith DVB318 FAQs




Your thinking of Macrovision, HDCP is a whole other ballgame. Here are two good reads:
HDCP: what it is and how to use it
What is HDCP?


peace

Thats the often asked about KWorld V-Stream. Doesn't have component input and thus it's not the best way to hook up a dvd player. Might be a decent option for certain configurations though personally i'd save up for the viewsonic N6.

I've seen lots of talk about different kinds of artifacts and sharpness with these convertor boxes, but what about jaggies? I had a convertor box for my PSX a while back and it looked TERRIBLE on my 15" CRT. I tried running it through my ATI 8500 AIW and it looked blurry, dark and muggy. However, I haven't heard anything about the jaggy artifacts like this.

Everybody was praising the Vdigi box but I still saw jaggies in screenshots like this
http://www.vdigi.com/images/stories/vdz3/vdz3_480p_1.jpg

Does ffdshow get rid of this? Do any of the TV boxes discussed here? I'm only going to be watching DIVX and playing PS2 and Gamecube (no xbox even), so I'll be dealing with mostly interlaced signals (I believe). So what's the deal with the jaggies and these TV boxes?

I know what you mean. I finally got my Vdigi hooked up to test it with my XBOX and Halo 2. When I hooked it up according to the directions it didn't work but I started flipping swithces on the side and it finally started working. I did see the jaggies your talking about or at least I think I did. When I had certain switch in some sort of order it seemed like the image was pixel shifting up and down and had a little angle to it. The image was nice and brite with good detail but would get blurry with the image jumping pixels. I flipped I think it was the #4 switch and it went away. The image was a little darker with not as much detail but all edges were sharp and crisp.

Moral- mess with your side switches.

Lucas

I bought a Avermedia TV box 5 and a Dragonplus2. Both of them are just plug and play the main difference is the tv with the avermedia. I plan on using my x-box and ps2 for my dvd's. The PS2 games looked about the same on both boxes the best resolution I got with the two of them was with the svideo connection. They both bost 1024x768 but the avermdia seems to have the better resolution. I'll have to compare the dvd quality but from what I remember the avermedia came out on top in this area.

I'm just going to use this dvd player. NeuNeo see specs below:


Support 1080P( 1080 Progressive Scan), 1080i, 720P, 576P and 480P output,

VGA output support 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768 and 1280x1024.

Upscale DVD playback to high definition ( 1080P/1080i via component, 1280x1024 via VGA).

HDMI pure digital interface.
Supports 1080i/720P/480P/576P/640x480/800x600/1024x768/1280x1024.

Built-in high end level scaler delivers astonishing high definition image.

Hi everyone,

I'm looking for a converter/scaler that I would use exclusively with an xbox and the upcoming xbox 360. I don't need any extra features, but the image quality has to be good. V-Stream Xpert TV LCD box has component input and isn't expensive, has anyone used it with the xbox? Unfortunatelly N6 is out of my price range. Any advice is welcome. Thanks,

-wawul

I don't see any component inputs for it.
You really want component inputs that can accept resolutions over 480i(480p, 720p and 1080i) if you want to do HD gaming and the N6 is the cheapest scaler you can find that can do it.

If you want to rely on your monitors scaler you can use the Vdigi, just remember that scalers built into monitors are usually crappy.

IMO the best combo for HD gaming and tv(besides a HDTV pci card for OTA broadcast) on a LL projector is still the Vdigi with the ADS Tech HDTV UpConverter II


peace

vukich, that player looks awesome for a LL projector, gook luck and be sure to report your findings.


peace

I'm using a n5 v2 with component to my projector and can only get a 480i...can I get a 480p out of the xbox???

lesko

Nope, 480i max input.


peace

I have a 4:3 HDTV projector and don't like the way the 16:9 HDTV streches the image past the sides. I would like to be able to have the ability to convert the image on the screen to fit. And I have gone through all the adjustments on the panel and the hdtv box but it still is to wide...Can the N6 do what I want???it says it's HDTV friendly...has anybody used the N6 with HDTV? would it be posible for somebody to try it? does Beyond TV3 support HD?
(Format Conversion for Full Screen, 4:3 Letterbox, 16:9 Panoramic or 16:9 Pillar Box output displays )

Lesko

Has anybody had any luck with this
Video to XGA Converter Switcher Sclaer + XGA TV tuner in this Ebay Auction?

Here is a link to their site

has anyone tried this hdtv upconvertor? looks like a nice one for the money.

http://www.dv-gear.com/hdtv/ads-tech-hdtv-upconverter.htm
peter

Nothing above a 480i input, so if you wanted to hook up a hi-def receiver or the current XBOX, future 360 and PS3 to display hi-def images (480p/EDTV - 720p - 1080i) scaled to your monitors native rez you won't be able to do it. The higher the rez the more info there is to start with and that is a very good thing indeed.


peace

xbox 360 will include a VGA output option!!! Score!!!

Well read this thread for over an hour!!!

I WON'T be using xbox, ps2 or HDTV. I only want a TV Box that will produce high quality cable TV(sports, regular tv etc...). I plan to use my laptop for DVD movies so thats not an issue either.

From all my reading it looks like the Avermedia TVBox 9 produces much better quality over the N6 as far as cable TV is concerned. My only question is, with my needs, is there a lower cost alternative that will deliver the same TV quality as the TVBox 9? Seems like I'd be wasting money paying for all the features the TVBox 9 has.

Oops, one other question...I have digital cable TV(over 500 channels). Will I have to run the coax from my digital cable box into the TVBox or could I run the coax straight into the TVBox?

I hear the K world (I think that's the name) does a pretty good job on a budget. In Brain's review post, it got decent reviews. It's about 1/3 the cost of the Avermedia TVBox9.

The Avermedia works great, by the way.

You won't be able to use digital cable coax straight to the KWorld or Avermedia, and I don't believe that there even is a card/box that supports digital cable for the PC at this time (connecting directly with coax that is). You will need to use the component, s-video, composite or coax output (depending on what converter you purchase) from your digital receiver to your converter box.



edit: (clarified some statements)