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blake
I was wondering if painting the inside of the box flat black made much of a difference? Currently none of it is painted black, not even the flashing. I have some flat black paint, should I go for it?
tameone
QUOTE (blake @ Sep 20 2006, 10:48 PM) *
I was wondering if painting the inside of the box flat black made much of a difference? Currently none of it is painted black, not even the flashing. I have some flat black paint, should I go for it?


yup definitely try to cover everything that will see direct light from the bulb flat black. countless times people have asked about artifacts in their projection and after they paint the inside black, all gone.
Votey
QUOTE (tameone @ Sep 20 2006, 10:55 PM) *
yup definitely try to cover everything that will see direct light from the bulb flat black. countless times people have asked about artifacts in their projection and after they paint the inside black, all gone.


Tameone hits the nail on the head once again. Kill that off-axis light with flat black paint or black felt.
blake
Awesome, thanks for the advice guys. smile.gif Btw, should I use high heat paint? Or is regular flat black Painter's Touch fine...?
Votey
QUOTE (blake @ Sep 20 2006, 11:21 PM) *
Awesome, thanks for the advice guys. smile.gif Btw, should I use high heat paint? Or is regular flat black Painter's Touch fine...?


If you are going with a 400-watt bulb, definitely high-heat paint for everything in the bulb chamber. But be careful, the black will absorb light (and therefore, heat), so metal flashing is recommended between the bulb and any wood surface.

For anything after the Lexan/tempered glass/shield, just go with regular flat black.
blake
QUOTE (Votey @ Sep 20 2006, 08:36 PM) *
If you are going with a 400-watt bulb, definitely high-heat paint for everything in the bulb chamber. But be careful, the black will absorb light (and therefore, heat), so metal flashing is recommended between the bulb and any wood surface.

For anything after the Lexan/tempered glass/shield, just go with regular flat black.


Damn, I just got done painting it with regular paint. sad.gif I do have the 400 watt bulb, should this be much of a problem? I mean the bulb chamber isn't really THAT hot. My fans keeps it quite cool...
blake
Well it's been runnin for several hours with just the regular McLendon's exterior flat black paint I used. No weird smells or burning, all is well. smile.gif
dajyn
I'm not totally convinced on the painting the entire light chamber / back half of the projector black...

But I am open to hearing its pro's and con's. I won't argue with painting the front half all black.

I wonder if you are giving up lumens by painting the rear half black? I know the concern is light hitting the LCD at the wrong angle. Perhaps this causes problems in the front half - if it doesn't make it through the lens.

Or perhaps this off-angle light doesn't even make it through the LCD. I seem to recall something about the LCD / polarizers only working at up to about a 7 degree angle from perpendicular. What this means exactly, I don't know...

I was thinking about lining the entire rear half of my PJ with aluminum reflective tape to see if this improved brightness - after I got it running. Think of it as a giant reflector of sorts... biggrin.gif
samuraijack
QUOTE (dajyn @ Sep 21 2006, 07:18 AM) *
I'm not totally convinced on the painting the entire light chamber / back half of the projector black...

But I am open to hearing its pro's and con's. I won't argue with painting the front half all black.

I wonder if you are giving up lumens by painting the rear half black? I know the concern is light hitting the LCD at the wrong angle. Perhaps this causes problems in the front half - if it doesn't make it through the lens.

Or perhaps this off-angle light doesn't even make it through the LCD. I seem to recall something about the LCD / polarizers only working at up to about a 7 degree angle from perpendicular. What this means exactly, I don't know...

I was thinking about lining the entire rear half of my PJ with aluminum reflective tape to see if this improved brightness - after I got it running. Think of it as a giant reflector of sorts... biggrin.gif


I have several surfaces coated with black velvet and I can tell you that my contrast is very good. When Im looking at black bars on the top and bottom, I'm REALLY looking at black bars. No grey...

The front is the most important part, especially the side walls. A few people have reported wierd artifacts from the reflection of their LCD controllers.
Most black paint will be fine as long as its flat. If you really want it all gone, then use Krylon Ultra Flat Black. Its like spraying on a black hole...wink.gif
alexhatcher
ding diing ding ding, I was going nuts trying to figure out what that odd smear on the top of the my image.

Black felt laid hot glued to the back of the lcd controller card fixed it.
dajyn
But what about behind the LCD - does the black help or hurt the projection?.... huh.gif
samuraijack
QUOTE (dajyn @ Sep 21 2006, 10:31 AM) *
But what about behind the LCD - does the black help or hurt the projection?.... huh.gif


Less off axis light cannot hurt.
dajyn
I guess I'll have to try it both ways to find out for certain... dry.gif
blake
Well I painted the entire inside of my box flat black, and all I can say it WOW! biggrin.gif The darker scenes stand out WAY more now, I'm amazed at how much different it looks.
dajyn
Hmmmm....better black levels?

Can you see more detail in the dark scenes - which would indicate a higher contrast ratio?
tameone
QUOTE (blake @ Sep 21 2006, 10:24 PM) *
Well I painted the entire inside of my box flat black, and all I can say it WOW! biggrin.gif The darker scenes stand out WAY more now, I'm amazed at how much different it looks.



smile.gif smile.gif
blake
QUOTE (dajyn @ Sep 21 2006, 07:37 PM) *
Hmmmm....better black levels?

Can you see more detail in the dark scenes - which would indicate a higher contrast ratio?


Yep, I can see way more details in dark scenes, now they're not all washed out. smile.gif
dajyn
Good proof you were getting reflections back on your LCD screen...or excessive light/hot spots from behind.

Which paint did you use?...just out of curiosity smile.gif
samuraijack
QUOTE (dajyn @ Sep 22 2006, 07:54 AM) *
Good proof you were getting reflections back on your LCD screen...or excessive light/hot spots from behind.

Which paint did you use?...just out of curiosity smile.gif


Heheheheee. Told yah! laugh.gif
Seriously, it s a great way to clean up. Just about any paint will work, as long as its flat.
Krylon Ultra Flat Black is the favored paint among telescope builders. That should give you an indication of how flat it really is.
HDTVaddict
QUOTE (samuraijack @ Sep 22 2006, 08:29 AM) *
Heheheheee. Told yah! laugh.gif
Seriously, it s a great way to clean up. Just about any paint will work, as long as its flat.
Krylon Ultra Flat Black is the favored paint among telescope builders. That should give you an indication of how flat it really is.

Will that stand up to the heat and what about barbecue paint, the stuff you spray your barbecue with to make it look nice and it is highly temp resistant.
tameone
QUOTE (HDTVaddict @ Sep 22 2006, 02:40 PM) *
Will that stand up to the heat and what about barbecue paint, the stuff you spray your barbecue with to make it look nice and it is highly temp resistant.



I used BBQ paint on a few things in my PJ so far. I have not gotten to the point of spraying the whole inside yet. I got it at the auto parts store of all places.. good for 1200*F. Its pretty flat, but not 'ultra' flat.
blake
QUOTE (dajyn @ Sep 22 2006, 04:54 AM) *
Good proof you were getting reflections back on your LCD screen...or excessive light/hot spots from behind.

Which paint did you use?...just out of curiosity smile.gif


I used some McLendon's flat black exterior paint.
HDTVaddict
Does anyone know where you get the Krylon Ultra Flat Black, Home depot didn't have any.
dajyn
I ran out of the Krylon and started using some Rust-oleum flat black camouflage paint - it seems just as "ultra flat". biggrin.gif
HDTVaddict
QUOTE (dajyn @ Sep 24 2006, 06:11 PM) *
I ran out of the Krylon and started using some Rust-oleum flat black camouflage paint - it seems just as "ultra flat". biggrin.gif

I just got some rust-oleum flat black so I guess I will use that.
blake
QUOTE (HDTVaddict @ Sep 24 2006, 01:02 PM) *
Does anyone know where you get the Krylon Ultra Flat Black, Home depot didn't have any.


I work at Home Depot, we actually don't sell Krylon paint anymore. Had someone ask me about it today actually...
xxbloodxx4
how does that rust-oleum flat black work? is it good? and will plain old flat black from acehardware work? lol
and wouldnt brushing the paint on give a bit more coverage than spraying it on?
tameone
QUOTE (xxbloodxx4 @ Oct 3 2006, 09:21 PM) *
how does that rust-oleum flat black work? is it good? and will plain old flat black from acehardware work? lol
and wouldnt brushing the paint on give a bit more coverage than spraying it on?



not if you spray it everywhere. just need a thin coating. any flat black will work.. but you should use high temp for pieces very close to the bulb (I know this thread is about paingint the front mainly, but paint the back too). If the paint you buy isn't flat enough, rub it down lightly with a brillo or scotch brite
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