I finally hung my completed Black Flame Light Fusion screen. After it was hung my wife and I were in complete awe. We both couldn't believe what we were seeing. The picture looked sooo good and even with the lights on and sunlight leaking into the room from the two large windows it retained its contrast and the picture seemed to pop out, almost 3Dish. Hard to explain.

We have 2 large windows with blinds but they still leak a ton of light into the room. We also perfer to watch regular TV with the lights on. This BFLF application totally fit the bill.

I've yet to totally calibrate my Infocus 4805 but from what I have seen so far I am again blown away with the results compared to my bare white wall.

For reference I am using a refurbed Infocus 4805 on low power mode projecting from 14' from a sofa table to a 94" BF SuperLite screen [5/12/2006 mix] (2oz of color components) applied with a roller onto MDF with an 1:.5:.5 UPW gloss:MinWax:Water base coat.

I've included some pics of what the picture looked like on my plain wall in the same perspective. Take these for what it's worth.

Again, thank you sooo much MMan and PB. You two really add superior value to the DIY screen scene. Anytime you're in the central Ohio region, let me know. Beers will be waiting for you .






For Comparison:

That's very cool. Can you share with me how you accomplished that?
I think this screen suits me.

that looks SICK

can you take a picture with the 360 connected and with the screen ?

This is the blackflame lf not the xtreme maxxmudd?

what size screen & lumens is the PJ hitting the wall with?

LOL i just noticed... you added the lamp close to the screen and its still better quality image LOL

Have I seen this before http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....ge=27&pp=30

08-10-06, 10:34 PM #802 (Print)
tiddler
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Where's the formula
Hey pb_maxxx

What happened to you first post? The formula is missing!

ppl on AVSFORUM still waiting for the formula to reapeer

eh I highly doubt he will repost the formula.. why? becasue its going to be proprietary and he has already begun to sell it.

PAINT MIX

Are you talking about this formula?

And yes this was in AVS forums, posted about a month ago, it's a testimonial. Still, they're great shots of what this paint mix can do.That PJ is probably not more than 500 Lumens.


JoeS.

yes the formula has been there since january , first post by pb maxx, but since then it has been edited

pb_maxxx
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Posts: 805

with respect to the Black Flame DIY thread...

i have edited and streamlined some of the redundent info.

the mix itself is being streamlined an update will soon be given... when ?? never...

the brightness and clarity is exceptional with so much ambient light. this makes me want to spray the BF mix onto my BOC screen.

Pics look great. However we are still waiting for comparison shots on the thread at avsforum. Without anything to compare to it is just too hard to tell for sure.

is it a case of too good to be true? I see all of these wonderful screen shots with real projectors, I want to see one with a lumenlab projector before I make the jump.

looks great
any chance of a pic with a piece of white paper on the screen for reference?

Ya I saw the original post on the avsforums... and I am very skeptical that one would see anywhere close to these results with the average LL projector. And frankly, I feel this type of post is really nothing more than a disguised info-mercial. It's not the most honest way to go about promoting your product. I doubt very seriously that myn is just some average customer who has taken it upon himself to go post testimonials about this product on different message boards. I am SURE he has some connection with the makers of this product, and I am SURE that if that connection were made clear this post would not sound nearly as non-biased as it does now.

Let your product sell itself. If it is as good as it appears to be, then lets see some results from independent LL community members, whom we trust to tell us what their projection source really is, and that the camera is reflecting accuratly what they see in real life. The only member I know to post results using that product (or a related one... I think it was maxxmudd or something) was rpearsey... and his results don't look anything close to what was posted above.

I have 0 affiliation with MMan or PBMax. I am nothing more than a DIY follower. I didn't know of this forum until recently. I am very happy with my mix and I know MMAN and PBmax are on this one so I figured I'd post a thank you as I did on AVS.

Sorry if this came across as an infomerical. Take the pic's for what they are worth. YMMV.

Well, I'm new here... so maybe others know you and can vouch for your impartiality. But when I see someone whose first post on a board is to gush about a product... and I've seen that same post on another board, it has always meant it's an infomercial spammer. There have been a lot of products that I thought were really great, but I've yet to be tempted to go out and advertise them on different boards. So... I'm still suspicious. If that product works as well as those pictures show, even for low lumen LL projectors, I'll glady eat my hat and buy one.

except that mymyn has NEVER bought anything from either me or mm. neither has he ever even talked to me nor mm on the phone or in person. he just happens to be excited about what he made by himself for himself.

every single ingredient that mymyn used was completely off the shelf. the only help he got from myself or mm was how to wet sand and roll the last couple of coats because he messed up his orginal rolling application. the same can be said of rpearsey... who messed up his first few coats before asking me for help and correcting his as well.

while it's true that rpearsey's pics were not of same quality (possibly due to your lower lumen pj's)... i do recall the he was just as excited about his screen as mymyn. at least excited enough to post and even call rsmaxx the real deal... and to state that he now has at least 4/5 more hours during the day that he can actually watch his projector. rpearsey made his own rsmaxx screen from scratch, just as mymyn has his own black flame screen from scratch... and just as neither of them knows each other... neither of them knows mm or myself either.

finally, mymyn actually paid money to join lumenlab and share his experience here. frankly i'm little bit surprised... and a little embarassed... because all i have nothing to offer him but a simple thanx.

MMans original involvement with LumenLab came from a personal invite from me. Instead of him ignoring the "low lumen" diy community, he was more than willing to take us into consideration with his extensive knowledge of diy screens. Things have progressed since then, with pbmaxx getting involved, and the BlackFlame screen being developed. So I'd like to say thank you to MMan and pbmaxx for taking diy screens to the next level, and thanks to "mymyn" for posting his results to show us what the possibilities are. Although "SlingBlade" is entitled to his opinion, he does not speak for all of us. He may view "mymyn" post as an infomercial, but I view it as progress being made for diy screens, where we all can benefit.

Mikey P.
(uklit - AVS forums)

Well, I apologize for suggesting that there was a "connection" between you two when there wasn't. Past experience has led me to be suspicious is all . So... on to the topic at hand, the product.

As a consumer, I'll tell you up front what it is I am looking for to decide on a product. Obviously... I'd love something cheaper than a high power Dalite screen. But I'm willing to pay that much if it makes a significant difference in quality over "DIY" methods. I'd love to be able to watch my projector with ambient lighting, but I'm not going to bother trying if the picture is completely washed out. It's a judgement call on my part as to how washed out is too washed out... but I'm pretty sure I'll know it when I see it

I'd like to see some direct comparisons between a product like Dalite High Power and the above one. Shots with moderate ambient lighting and complete darkness, with a projector outputing lumens similiar to your average LL. I'm also curious as to what amount of gain you would say this product has. Also... what is the difference between Black Flame and Xtreme MaxxMudd? Your site has the same description for both. Thanks

pb_maxxx I KNOW that painting a sample wount give me an acurate idea about the grandeur of bf mix, but I would really appreciate if you could lend me a hand with a small mix for testing purposses.

I want to test the bf mix against a standard white wall, mainly in a light controlled enviroment.
I´d like to know the aproximate quantity of paint I would need for a piece of screen of 1 square meter. About the colors pigments, have in mind that I don´t live in the US, so I would need an exact specification of the colors rather than their commercial names.

Thank you!

WOW! Infomercial or not, that looks amazing!

How much is this paint? I think this is what I want to do for my screen!

I don't know how ethical it would be to post the image, but if you check the address to the images they are all:
"http://www.derekreynolds.com/gallery/albums/FinishedBlackFlame/IMG_02##.jpg"

Check out image number 0233.jpg, it shows the projector as well (if that does anything for anyone...)

Also check out image 0254.jpg for a nice dark room shot.

WOW! Those look... SO good!! I can't beleive it!

Also check out 217

As promised, I finally had some time to take a couple of quick comparison shots.

For reference:

Black-out cloth far left, Stewart Greyhawk, Firehawk and Studiotek 130 in the middle and my BF screen on the right.

Sorry for taking so long.

myn - how about a straight on pic?
That Firehawk looks terrible!!

bump. We can´t compare anything from this angle.

There's just no pleasing some people is there?

OK, so if I have this right myn more or less painted a piece of MDF with off the shelf paint. He first painted the mdf white (using a special basecoat mix) and then followed up with some "Black Flame Light Fusion" (following the mixture posted above).

Do I have this right?

Roughly how much would the paints for something like this cost (say for the same size screen)? Are we talking $50, $100, $300?

the middle one... you're talking about one bill.

Hey Pb Maxx, nice to see you back. I've been off for a while. Thought you disappeared into the ether.

The complaint about those screen shots are valid. Why anyone would take the time to set up the experiment and then take screen shots at those angles I don't know. You simply can't make a valid comparison. It would lead me to be suspicous of the motives. He was able to take front screen shots earlier. Why not now.

hey pb, What the heck are you talking about? I think you posted comments from Joe S. Dalite thread.

What phutton is asking is why myn took such care in taking the original shots but took shots that are virtually worthless when comparing to other products. This also makes me very suspicious.

He might be trying to show differences in viewing angle/gain....

I clicked on the AVS Paint Mix link. I find it very interesting they are using red ,green, blue (and yellow) for the top coat.

if you mix red, green, and blue paint equally do you get white? It's been so long since I took art class in junior high...

Let's assume you do. But does this "white" surface then only reflect back red, green, or blue light...and none of the frequencies in between?

Does it work kind of like Sony's ChromaVue screen?....

Hope this is ok to ask here......can anyone give us the link to where we can buy the BF/Maxxmudd mixes? Or please PM me if we can't post it. I thought I had it bookmarked and can't find it.....

Thanks

http://xtreme-fusion-screens.com/. Bought some myself, he mixed the black flame and maxxmudd to fit my PJ and will do the same to fit your setup. Thanks PB!

for anyone who would like to join... the forum discussion for XFS are now open.

...is at http://xtreme-fusion-screens.com/forums.html

Congratulations on your website and your future success!



JoeS.

That has got to be the worst photo to demonstrate a screen technology ive ever seen in my entire life.

Send some samples to people with the time and camera ability to take decent pictures of your product.

I really doubt you have to hide behind internet "here say / hype " to market it(and i believe it is a good product).

This is exactly why i stopped reading avsforum diy screen section, its full of retardation like those 120 degree off angle shots.

Uh hello ... this is a DIY projecter forum? This guy is not a professional, has a screen he loves and is trying to help out with some pictures. Give the guy a break. He isn't trying to hide anything or hawk anything. He just likes his screen and wants to show it off ... just like every other guy here when he gets his pj working. There is no need to cut him down or try to be suspicious or doubt his motives or any of that silliness. Sure, better light control and different angles would be nice ... but why demand someone else have the same goals you have, and do your work?

Want a better test set? Go to Lowes, buy the paints and make your own. Then get samples and make your own test shots. Can't you just be happy for this guy who has a screen he loves? sheesh It's not like the formula and process are some big ole secret. DIY Sorry if I sound harsh. I just hate seeing people bashed like that.

This guy took time to take a straight on excellent picture when it was just the BF screen. Then it came time to take comparison shots and he decides to take some of the worst off axis pictures I have ever seen. There is a reason for this and it is obvious.

If someone makes a fan boy post saying how great their screen is then it is not unreasonable to ask for comparison shots. If he is that excited then he would want to show how great his screen is.

Of course we can all be proven wrong if he would post some REAL comparison shots.

I forgot to mention. This screen is featured on pb's BF website. This makes it appear that there is a motive.

I have to second BoomerBrian's reply. It doesn't take a professional photographer to stand in front of the screen and snap the picture. After all, he did it the first time.

Right, but why does he have to back up any claim to us? We haven't bought anything from this guy, he hasn't tried to sell something to us, didn't claim "mine is better than yours nananana" ... nothing. Why does he have to provide x, y and z just cuz some folks demand it in a thread? And if he doesn't roll over and fetch, then we look for some dark inner purpose?

If this were a post from one of the guys touting his mix or his installation ability, and was drumming up customers, sure. But this guy MAY just be excited about what he gets to watch after following some DIY instructions and some hard work.

People have real lives and limited time to spend posting and taking pictures and what not. This guy is not like me ... waking in the night, tweaking the pj, hovering over the boards.... he isn't pathetic. LOL

Maybe he just did what he wanted to, and he is off enjoying his screen with a bowl of popcorn and rightly doesn't care about the thoroughness of his presentation. No coverup, no fanboy, just doesn't feel the need to march to someone else's drum.

It isn't myn's product, like weldonjb said he is just enjoying his screen and probably isn't even checking these forums. Sure everybody would like to see more pictures but dont go barking commands. You can check out Pb's website and buy some BF.
Thats my thought

Edit: Here are some BF pics from his website.
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I agree he doesn't have to roll over and bark at our commands. However he was so excited about his screen that he started threads at Lumenlab and at avsforum.com. So he must have time. Also if he truly was showing how great his screen was he would have been excited to show how well it performs against the others. Something is very fishy.

Those are nice screenshots but doesn't mean a thing unless there is a reference to compare with. These screens are toughted for being better than other screens in ambient light. So "Show me the money"!

Ill address this post if you are really serious about its content after realizing its a product being sold. It isnt a person mixing paints up from lowes showing us how happy he is playing basement van goh. Its a guy going "look how great this product you can now buy is".

Actually, it IS a person mixing up paints from Lowe's (MM and PB). Yes , *they* are selling them, but not *this* guy. And whether he bought paint from Lowe's and mixed it, bought another paint from MM and BP, or from some dude on the street corner, he still painted his screen and enjoys the results.

Do ANY of us make our own paint from the raw inputs? No, we buy and mix and have fun. Some buy basic white, slap it on, and grab some popcorn. Some buy Goo. Some buy a million things, try a thousand, and pick one. Who cares?

MM and PB mixed and mixed and mixed ... shared with others for free ... painted a bunch of people's home theaters ... mixed some more ... found something they liked, and now they want to make a business of it. If I have read correctly, they even want to get the mix protected THEN share it with all the DIY folks ... or mix it up and sell it to you for a bit of a markup if you are sceered of doing it wrong.

But *this* guy who posted just likes his screen.

Hey swill ... what is that website with the black flame pics anyway? My wife was thinking she wants to take a swing at a superior spray paint job on the screen. Paint is her thing. lol

xtreme-fusion-screens.com, I just bought black flame mix and am getting ready to spray it on a fixed BOC 16:9 screen.

Sweet. Good luck to you! May your arm be limber and your passes smooth.

Maybe you should search back and read a bunch of pyroman(spelling)'s posts. he is the one who started the entire bf craze.

I was one of the first to say, the first shots look increadible. And they do, but I'm sorry, I'm a conspiracy lover. I find it odd that myn would take the time to build and paint his screen, take some shots of his screen, hear that people want to see comparison shots, take the time to hang some sample screen material, then only take 2 (very bad) photos.

It don't make no sense to intentionally take horrible pictures. And when something don't make no sense it's human nature to either fix the problem or ask why. Since myn is refusing to fix the problem we must ask why.

Even though I love conspiracies, I'm not of the opinion he's in cahoots with pbmaxx(sp?). I figure the samples looked better than the screen except at the insane angles. Understandibly; myn doesn't want to advertise that the screen that he spent so much time on doesn't live up to the screens that you can purchase... That's my take anyway.

guys,

there is no conspiracy theory going on at all. look, i don't know mymn any more/less than any of you do... never met him, never phoned him, etc.

if you take the time to read the avs thread in which he joyfully posted his results... he states that he was a big fan of the greyhawk 2 and had intended to purchase it before making a black flame screen. the issue came when folks started badgering him for all sorts of comparison shots. simply put... he just wanted to share his experience and then go on enjoying his screen. but for 2 months he was badgered over and over again to make comparisons. finally he was fed up and threw up a small comparison to get folks off his back and then continue on with his life.

as much as i personally would have like to have seen more or a better comparison (because i have a personal stake, not him). truth is, very little can be determined by 1 foot samples. in fact... i find such a small sample to be nearly worthless other than to determine gain.

in the end, i don't blame him for wanting to move on and just enjoy his screen in peace.

I agree. Myn made the same initial post on AVS, and found himself in more of a controversy than he wanted. The comparison shots are obviously a quickie effort from a justifiably disinterested point of view.

But you, PB, are in a much better position to show some real comparisons between BF and other screens... So how about it?

Garry