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lastdragon
I have about 3 layers of paper towels and plastic covering over lcd for about 3 days and now i am seeing bubbles on the lcd panel but nothing is pulling up from edges. The corners seem to be split level. It appears to be a smaller glass on top of a a larger (thinner) glass. Where do I peel from. The outer edges are clear and have some wiring in them. Sorry no pics. The bubbles appear as 45 degree lines across the panel. Maybe 1/8"across and 1/4" long (just guesstimating). I am trying to peel up with finger nail.
Durachko
Ugh. 3 days is not good - not good at all. You'll likely wind up having to replace the polarizer on that side and hopefully you haven't compromised the panel itself at all.

The trick to this is using a very sharp implement - such as an X-Acto knife point or a razor blade to "start" or "lift" the antiglare and then it peels off like nothin'.

Have you see this video of antiglare removal?

The antiglare and polarizer comprise a smaller rectangle of material on top of and very distinct from the GLASS panels themselves.

Sounds like maybe you're a bit confused as to what's what?
Durachko
Here's what you should have:

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The side labelled Front Diffuser above consists - typically - of - from top-to-bottom as pictured - Glass :: polarizer :: antiglare. You need to soak for 1 or 2 to 12 hours (or overnight) and gently pick at the middle of the polarizer :: antiglare sandwich to begin separation of the antiglare. Once it's started it's obvious if it's ready to peel because it'll come off like very weak Scotch Tape or maybe a really good PostIt Note.

Hope you can recover from this.

So long as you haven't hurt the real important stuff between the glass plates you'll be fine. It just means you will have to replace the polarizer. Some people do this on purpose so don't sweat it yet.

Note that if you remove the polarizer you may have some adhesive residue remaining on the glass. This must be carefully removed since you don't want to overstress the glass panels.

Antiglare removal is still considered an "extreme" mod even though it's proven to be very simple to do. Anyone considering this in the future pay heed to pitfalls and proceed only when fully confident of the outcome.

Some panels are resistant to the water soak method. Personally, if the water soak method hadn't worked with my panel I'm not so sure I would have proceeded with a chemical strip.
Tbird1234
3 days may have been too much. It usually only takes less than 10 hours. I left mine soak for 8 and it came off real easy.
To remove the top layer use a very sticky tape (white masking tape or tuck tape) and stick one of the corners of the LCD with the tape. Pull the tape back slowly and if all goes well the top layer will come off with no need of knives or fingernails. This may not work for you since it has been soaking for so long. It might pull more than just the top layer at this point.

Good luck.
lastdragon
Thanks again Duracko,

Great info. Thanks for the diagram and I haven't seen the video. Looks like I am setting a record. I thinks its actually been four days and possibly five. (Took a day off and a little lost). I was leary of using anything sharp since many have done it successfully but advised against it, suggesting using finger nail and waiting as a better alternative. So i waited.....and waited.....

I will see if I can find a razor blade or something. If I cant find anything to get underneath, I may leave the soak since I am not sure what drying will do. BTW, Tbird1234, I tried the sticky tape throughout the process, no such luck. dry.gif
lastdragon
Real interesting.

I used a razor blade (something i should have done two days ago at least) Thanks Tbird1234. At first, it worked like a charm. I ued sticky tape too and everything was coming up nice and smooth. Then I noticed a little stickeness. No big deal right.

Then i noticed that there were different shaded areas from air pockets in the AG, hence I am pulling up the AG and the Polarizer. Well no big deal there either I guess. While i am trying to seperate the two from each other, the Polarizer (a clear sheet) gets stuck back to the LCD like crazy glue. Now I start fussin with it to get it of and im putting a lot of stress on the LCD. It gets glued back with air pockets and sticks like the glue traps for mice. I wind up twisting it into a ball and turning the edges up bit by bit. Now i have lots of glue patches and some patches that look like some texture came up.. the shiny factor is different. I am gonna clean a little with alcohol. I have to run so I will have to finish clean up later.

Thanks, I have my fingers crossed.

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lastdragon
sorry for so many posts, but I lack picks.. Now heres what I think. I have two layers that are strong, one that is a little dark and was on top, the next was clear and underneath. The "glue patches" seem to be wholes in some film thin layer that rubs off with alchohol. And some of those patches seem to have a layer beneathe them that also comes off. Well I am off to do some galavanting. Hopefully someone has a clue as to what next. Incidentally, this monitor strip looked exactly like one of the BenQ's that I saw on here. I forget which one. Later all. Thanks.
lastdragon
QUOTE (Durachko @ Aug 9 2006, 03:35 PM) *
Note that if you remove the polarizer you may have some adhesive residue remaining on the glass. This must be carefully removed since you don't want to overstress the glass panels.



Any tips on removal of all the crap left on my screen. And it looks like two thin layers of crap, more like a film than a sheet. I used 70% rubbing alcohol and it seemed to be working.
Durachko
QUOTE (lastdragon @ Aug 10 2006, 01:28 PM) *
Any tips on removal of all the crap left on my screen. And it looks like two thin layers of crap, more like a film than a sheet. I used 70% rubbing alcohol and it seemed to be working.
Afraid you'll have to seek advice within the massive antiglare topic(s) or wait for someone else. I think rubbing alcohol is 70% isopropyl cut w/water. 100% isopropanol would likely work better. You could try mineral spirits, gasoline, maybe that stuff called "goof off" (or similar?) that's for removing paint spills. I'd check out the big thread(s) about antiglare or wait for more advice about removing the gunk. Just be gentle. Support the panel well with a non-scratch, firm backing. Don't overwet your de-gunking rag. Good luck and happy scrubbing. Patience is a must.
lastdragon
QUOTE (Durachko @ Aug 10 2006, 01:36 PM) *
Support the panel well with a non-scratch, firm backing. Don't overwet your de-gunking rag. Good luck and happy scrubbing. Patience is a must.



My degunking is going well. I am using the 70% isopropyl and a paper towel. I am using the plastic frame with nothing behind the panel for now. I will put some cloth behind it at some point for support but I am trying to not press down and only use side to side friction. As you mentioned, it the towel is too wet, it slows down the removal. I noticed that a quick wipe and then letting the evaporating adhesive sort of stick to itself and the paper and rolls along a line as I move inward. Takes time but it is somewhat cathartic. Good meditation work. I am most certian that it is just adhesive that I am removing now so the layer left behind is probably the rear TAC?

Also, I turned it on and noticed that I could see that it still works from looking at the backside. Does that mean that there is a polarizer on the other side? Will I still need to add a polarizer on the front side? BTW whatever is left looks nice and shiny.
tgreenwood
QUOTE (lastdragon @ Aug 10 2006, 11:10 PM) *
Also, I turned it on and noticed that I could see that it still works from looking at the backside. Does that mean that there is a polarizer on the other side?


All LCDs have a polarizer on each side. It has to have both polarizers to work, so congratulations, you didn't remove your polarizer after all!

Tgreenwood
Durachko
Wow! I'll be amazed if you come out of this unscathed! I hope it works out as you only having removed the antiglare. Keep us posted man! cool.gif
lastdragon
QUOTE (Durachko @ Aug 11 2006, 09:14 AM) *
Wow! I'll be amazed if you come out of this unscathed! I hope it works out as you only having removed the antiglare. Keep us posted man! cool.gif



Thanks,

But I am pretty sure that the Front side of the LCD has no Polarizer, there were definately two distinct sheets. The were hard to seperate and mind you this is an HP LCD, and if memory serves me correct, so was Mikau's. I know someone else on here post trouble with seperating the AG and Polarizer on an HP.

From a certain angle, I can only see a faint image by looking at the back of the LCD looking through to the front. If I try looking through the front, I can see nothing.

Another soak would pull up the Rear TAC? Is ther a reason for doing this?
lastdragon
QUOTE (tgreenwood @ Aug 11 2006, 01:11 AM) *
All LCDs have a polarizer on each side. It has to have both polarizers to work, so congratulations, you didn't remove your polarizer after all!

Tgreenwood


Thanks Tgreenwood,

But based on what I wrote about the faint image, wouldnt that mean that polarizer is gone on the front but still intact on the rear side of the glass.
Durachko
QUOTE (lastdragon @ Aug 11 2006, 12:13 PM) *
But I am pretty sure that the Front side of the LCD has no Polarizer, there were definately two distinct sheets. The were hard to seperate and mind you this is an HP LCD, and if memory serves me correct, so was Mikau's. I know someone else on here post trouble with seperating the AG and Polarizer on an HP.

From a certain angle, I can only see a faint image by looking at the back of the LCD looking through to the front. If I try looking through the front, I can see nothing.

Another soak would pull up the Rear TAC? Is ther a reason for doing this?
My understanding is there MUST be polarizer on both sides for the LCD to function properly. huh.gif

Edit: Ah, I see what you're saying now. blush.gif

Well, you want to remove everything you possibly can without causing the panel to cease functioning. The fewer layers the better insofar as transmissivity is concerned.
tgreenwood
Ah, nuts. sad.gif I spoke too soon.

Drad-ratted stinking polarizers will drive us all nutty.
I should have asked if you could see an image from both sides before I popped off. Sorry.

Tgreenwood
lastdragon
QUOTE (tgreenwood @ Aug 11 2006, 04:54 PM) *
Ah, nuts. sad.gif I spoke too soon.

Drad-ratted stinking polarizers will drive us all nutty.
I should have asked if you could see an image from both sides before I popped off. Sorry.

Tgreenwood



Agreed, they are driving me batty for sure. And I haven't even reached the point where I have to replace it. For a minute I was feeling that the glue removal was a nice peaceful meditation like process. But then it got reaaaal slow. I may get some kind of goo off. Hope that is not dangerous to the TAC
lastdragon
I just mailed off for a new polarizer from 3dlens.com . Their shipping says 8-25 days via air so this could be a while. Well, by that time, the glue should be all wiped away slowly.
Durachko
dragon: You're making my elbows sore just thinking about you rubbing off the goop. sad.gif

Best of luck . . . we're pullin' for ya. cool.gif
lastdragon
Well, now just waitin on my polarizer.. could be while. All the glue is finally gone. Thanks for all the assistance.
Durachko
QUOTE (lastdragon @ Aug 17 2006, 09:30 PM) *
Well, now just waitin on my polarizer.. could be while. All the glue is finally gone. Thanks for all the assistance.
Glad to hear that! You are welcome. post-418-1138467278.gif

Have some popcorn while waiting on your polarizer? post-418-1138467352.gif biggrin.gif

Sorry you had a little trouble with the antiglare removal but it's an "extreme mod" after all. Hope you get your projector up-and-running in the near future. smile.gif
lawson23
Hey how did this turn out?

I hope for the better.
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