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shotfire321
I'm using a SOLA E-MCA00W151 150w m-81 ballast, it works fine
paladin
QUOTE (shotfire321 @ Sep 9 2006, 11:11 AM) *
I'm using a SOLA E-MCA00W151 150w m-81 ballast, it works fine

Shotfire - from where did you get that GE CMH150/TD/UVC/942/Rx7s lamp?
Votey
QUOTE (shotfire321 @ Sep 9 2006, 12:11 PM) *
I'm using a SOLA E-MCA00W151 150w m-81 ballast, it works fine


Alright, thank you.

I just ordered the Philips CDM150/TD/942 from bulbconnection.com and the SOLA E-MZA00W151 ballast from prolighting.com. Here's hoping it all comes together in the end. unsure.gif

Oops, I guess I'd better find some way to hold that bulb in place...
HDTVaddict
QUOTE (Votey @ Sep 9 2006, 02:01 PM) *
Alright, thank you.

I just ordered the Philips CDM150/TD/942 from bulbconnection.com and the SOLA E-MZA00W151 ballast from prolighting.com. Here's hoping it all comes together in the end. unsure.gif

Oops, I guess I'd better find some way to hold that bulb in place...




What lens setup will you be using this with?
arizonavideo
All ballast sold in the USA should have an ANSI number I would guess that Elkins does too. It would be nice if he could find the time to post it.

So we get no LUX readings, no ballast ANSI #, No arc image size at the triplet shots. Maybe I expect too much.
shotfire321
QUOTE (paladin @ Sep 9 2006, 11:32 AM) *
Shotfire - from where did you get that GE CMH150/TD/UVC/942/Rx7s lamp?



I got both at a local lighting supply here in Denver called "Lightbulb Supply" they were very helpful and had both the bulb and ballast in stock.
Votey
QUOTE (HDTVaddict @ Sep 9 2006, 02:08 PM) *
What lens setup will you be using this with?


I am going to try to copy Elken's setup with two LL 317mm Standard Fresnels, the LL Pro Reflector and the LL Standard Triplet.
elken2004
QUOTE (arizonavideo @ Sep 10 2006, 04:57 AM) *
All ballast sold in the USA should have an ANSI number I would guess that Elkins does too. It would be nice if he could find the time to post it.

So we get no LUX readings, no ballast ANSI #, No arc image size at the triplet shots. Maybe I expect too much.


I know there are no LUX readings

we dont use the ANSI here,, none of the aussie stuff I have had, has an ansi code

I have taken several shots of arc at trip, on all of my previous builds,, they are lost somewhere in the posts
elken2004
QUOTE (Votey @ Sep 10 2006, 08:47 AM) *
I am going to try to copy Elken's setup with two LL 317mm Standard Fresnels, the LL Pro Reflector and the LL Standard Triplet.



Votey what size panel are you going to use?

I personally think a high res 15.4" would be great in the std type setup.. with this lamp
elken2004
QUOTE (GadgetSmith @ Sep 9 2006, 09:05 PM) *
I do believe that this Sola ballast from Pro Lighting will do the trick. I notice that many ballasts that carry the M142 rating will also carry the M102 (and/or M81 rating) as well... M102 is a pulse start lamp ballast, and the M81 is an HQI lamp ballast... what I don't know is that if a lamp rated for M142 will run "correctly" on a ballast only listed as M102... this is of interest to us as M102 ballasts are much more plentiful here in the US.

just my $0.02

cheers,
gs



seems good to me,,, by its spec's
Votey
QUOTE (elken2004 @ Sep 9 2006, 09:23 PM) *
Votey what size panel are you going to use?

I personally think a high res 15.4" would be great in the std type setup.. with this lamp


I am planning on the 17" Gateway FPD1750. I got it super-cheap on eBay because the picture blacks out after a second (hopefully just a backlight issue).

I would LOVE to get the 15.4" WUXGA, but my budget is around $300 for this whole PJ, so it's out of the question.

EDIT: Oh, or did you mean the 1280x800 that Walmart.com has on clearance for $130? Now that's pretty tempting.... Maybe I'll swing by there tomorrow and see if they have any marked down to.. say... $40 or so... Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?

EDIT again: Oops, that one's not very compatible, but the Norwood from CompUSA is, will investigate that tomorrow...
elken2004
ok,,,,, new ball lamp ceramic,, ten minutes old,,,

NO real alignment

NO reflector

NO precon,,

just as a virgin,, out there in the light..

No comment smile.gif
elken2004
and now for my next trick >> watch der wabbit..
elken2004
ok der wabbit>>>>>

one of you guys is gonna have to try a 550mm condensor fresnel,,, I think you will be blown away by the difference,,, and what else use ya luxie and see what you get,, you will be quite surprised...

this plot is as 'raw a setup' as per before,,,
Click to view attachment
elken2004
I just a hand held test put the 6 x 9 precon,,, visually the corners seemed very very even..

and the whole image was at least twice as bright too..

to add as well that was the full 4:3 screen no my usaul 16:10
SIMUL8R
QUOTE (elken2004 @ Sep 10 2006, 02:00 AM) *
ok der wabbit>>>>>

one of you guys is gonna have to try a 550mm condensor fresnel,,, I think you will be blown away by the difference,,, and what else use ya luxie and see what you get,, you will be quite surprised...

this plot is as 'raw a setup' as per before,,,
Click to view attachment

You mean with your 320mm triplet or the pro? I'm currently using the 550mm with my 18" opaque.
paladin
If you want to see something rather interesting, change the desktop screen resolution to 256 color
mode on the PC you use to view the forums - then take a look at the posted screen images.
HDTVaddict
QUOTE (paladin @ Sep 10 2006, 03:29 PM) *
If you want to see something rather interesting, change the desktop screen resolution to 256 color
mode on the PC you use to view the forums - then take a look at the posted screen images.


I tried that the pics look sweet
Votey
QUOTE (paladin @ Sep 10 2006, 03:29 PM) *
If you want to see something rather interesting, change the desktop screen resolution to 256 color
mode on the PC you use to view the forums - then take a look at the posted screen images.


The lowest mine goes is 16-bit color, what happens at 256? Can you post a screenshot?
paladin
QUOTE (Votey @ Sep 10 2006, 02:38 PM) *
The lowest mine goes is 16-bit color, what happens at 256? Can you post a screenshot?

Click to view attachment
silver_surfer
wow I've been lurking around for a long time, but I wanted to say that this new bulb looks really awesome!

It seems to a be a G12 Osram Powerball, but is it the 3200K or 4200K that you have ?
because it looks more yellow than with the Philips sad.gif
Votey
QUOTE (paladin @ Sep 10 2006, 04:17 PM) *


Thank you. That is quite interesting indeed.
Kristoph
tbh that looks more like 16 colors than 256.
paladin
QUOTE (Kristoph @ Sep 11 2006, 02:56 PM) *
tbh that looks more like 16 colors than 256.

Microsoft has their own definition of a color. 16 colors times 16 possible intensities = 256 Microsoft colors
Kristoph
You learn something new everyday, cheers laugh.gif
foamcows
So with the last bulb that we have pictures of, what are we talking the costs to be to upgrade from our standard 400 watt setup to this new powerball setup. I take it we would need a new ballast, new base, and a new bulb. How much are these bulbs? Do they require special ballasts?
elken2004
Ok Girls !!!

the lastest player and the most important one has arrived on the field of play !!!!!!!!!!!!


Click to view attachment
elken2004
QUOTE (foamcows @ Sep 12 2006, 07:11 AM) *
So with the last bulb that we have pictures of, what are we talking the costs to be to upgrade from our standard 400 watt setup to this new powerball setup. I take it we would need a new ballast, new base, and a new bulb. How much are these bulbs? Do they require special ballasts?


hehehe Upgrade,, isn't it really a downgrade smile.gif

in USD terms it would cost about $120 for ballast and lamp,, that was a rough aud to usd conversion
silver_surfer
QUOTE (silver_surfer @ Sep 10 2006, 08:35 PM) *
wow I've been lurking around for a long time, but I wanted to say that this new bulb looks really awesome!

It seems to a be a G12 Osram Powerball, but is it the 3200K or 4200K that you have ?
because it looks more yellow than with the Philips sad.gif


can you answer me please Elken ? wink.gif
mikyd1954
QUOTE (elken2004 @ Sep 8 2006, 09:36 AM) *
Mikyd,,, i asked Daz not to send it to me,,,, yeah call me stubborn,, but I dont want to be distracted by chasing light levels,,, what i am after is purity of image POI as opposed to POE

I do have a $4000 usd light meter already, and have not used it except around august last year,,,

gawd we have enough problems in commercial unit zone regarding the amount of lumens between models already,, I dont want to get trapped on that hurdy gurdy ,,, smile.gif

brightness is one small part of this game,, yeah I know sounds strange,, but a good image more about colour purity and contrast and sharpness of image,, the brightness is really secondary,, but nevertheless still important too,, however I am truly surpised how bright this one is,,, so luck is both ways here,,

been gone for the weekend and trying to catch up....well, all I can say is thats your decision, however, you can have the purest image you want but if its too dim to watch comfortably, it doesn't make much difference..... thats why the lumens would be nice to know also, I have no interest in commercial pj lumens relative to LL pjs...from my test with all different setups, I figure I need about 250 -300 umens...you can say that with a purer image, ,better contrast etc I probably need less and you're probably right, however I think you might not be taking into account that everybody also has different light sensitivity, what might be perfectly viewable for you might not be for me, for example, I rarely drive at night because my night vision makes it a ....umm..scary propostion wink.gif ...at my work, we are transitioning over to lcds on the desktop and I see people raving about how nice the lcds are and honestly, the half dozen or so I've seen are not bright enough for me to work at comfortably but the people who have them see no issues, so maybe its just me I reckon.... in fact the monitor(a couple of years old only) I have right now is just about pegged on its brightness and I'm thinking its still not quite there.... I would urge you to reconsider testing the pj and your panels transmissiveness, it would only take a few minutes of your time and even if you don't think the results are significant or are misleading , still, it would make some of us happy! and in this crazy world today(cue violins wink.gif isn't gving a few people a little happiness worth a couple of minutes? smile.gif
elken2004
ok Pro lens shots,, 330mm .2mm and 550mm .2mm split config,, with same light engine as before, no changes

several points,, the sharpness has gone out of sight,, the eveness is astounding,, the brightness has increased,, the whites have got even whiter,, the colours are even more vibarant,,, small issue is the pincusion effect,, yet to be solved

all in all, this wins,,, and I have not even set it up properly,, done in much haste just to get it fired ,, hehehehe

oh note that now using entire panel 4:3

if anyone has doubts,, well fear not,, it is worth it,,,, yeah yeah dazzzer,, i will insrt HQI as soon as possible for backwards comparison too smile.gif smile.gif
elken2004
more,, oh these shots were with lots of lights running too,, no problem and non paused TV,, just as is, full auto cam settings

Click to view attachment

Click to view attachment
silver_surfer
looks nice!!!

btw is the G12 Powerball 3200K or 4200K ?

thanks biggrin.gif
elken2004
4200 clas 942,,,, to use the 830 3200 is way out of spec. smile.gif

here is a full 4:3 no powered lcd shot
silver_surfer
ok thanks for the reply!

but why does it look more yellow than with the Philips CDM then ? sad.gif
elken2004
well here are some plots,, same methods same processing,, make your own judgements
elken2004
space hehehe
silver_surfer
beautiful art but these things mean nothing to me biggrin.gif

in real life it doesn't appear more yellow than the philips CDM ?
or maybe you didn't adjust the panel levels just yet ?!
elken2004
QUOTE (silver_surfer @ Sep 12 2006, 09:46 PM) *
ok thanks for the reply!

but why does it look more yellow than with the Philips CDM then ? sad.gif



ummm it was only fired from brand new,, ten mins before,, also was raw, rough setup,,, I am not gonna gloss anything,,, post as is,, live,,,,

dont fear,, time is my enemy here,, too many things too do,,

the ceramic,, was a curve ball i did not expect to follow, with passion,, and its not with out reason either,,
kunteper
QUOTE (elken2004 @ Sep 12 2006, 02:43 PM) *
here is a full 4:3 no powered lcd shot


elken what are you using for screen ? Blackout cloth or something else ...
elken2004
it was a light fusion.... just consider it as a white wall,,, because I rolled a solid coat of paint,,, or think of it as a BOC screen
MichaelJ
looks nice and even smile.gif
what size is that screen btw?

edit: actually I think the digicam is saturating on that last pic, as most of the white is at 255/255/255...
Jones Rush
elken,
what is your verdict on the full LL pro kit (220mm/650mm/pj lens). Is the 220mm fresnel still incompatible with the 150W in this setup ?.

Earlier you said that the 220mm fresnel is a big NO with the 150W lamp.
elken2004
ok here is a shot,,, full auto cam sets,, no time exposures as is

you will notice this is a full 4:3 panel too, not 16:10,, my trade mark polar defect top right corner,, it is white not yellow, or brindle or anything
elken2004
QUOTE (Jones Rush @ Sep 12 2006, 11:24 PM) *
elken,
what is your verdict on the full LL pro kit (220mm/650mm/pj lens). Is the 220mm fresnel still incompatible with the 150W in this setup ?.

Earlier you said that the 220mm fresnel is a big NO with the 150W lamp.


yet to be fully tested,, but so far 330/550 or LL650 is good with this Pro triplet
Jones Rush
Elken,
What is the size of your screen here ?:



Are you still not using your precon and reflector ?, is the image bright enough for this screen size ?.
silver_surfer
if you don't mind me asking, what adjustments did you make to make it look white instead of yellow ? on the panel itself ?

thanks in advance,
miedosoracing
QUOTE (mikyd1954 @ Sep 12 2006, 05:24 AM) *
been gone for the weekend and trying to catch up....well, all I can say is thats your decision, however, you can have the purest image you want but if its too dim to watch comfortably, it doesn't make much difference..... thats why the lumens would be nice to know also, I have no interest in commercial pj lumens relative to LL pjs...from my test with all different setups, I figure I need about 250 -300 umens...you can say that with a purer image, ,better contrast etc I probably need less and you're probably right, however I think you might not be taking into account that everybody also has different light sensitivity, what might be perfectly viewable for you might not be for me, for example, I rarely drive at night because my night vision makes it a ....umm..scary propostion wink.gif ...at my work, we are transitioning over to lcds on the desktop and I see people raving about how nice the lcds are and honestly, the half dozen or so I've seen are not bright enough for me to work at comfortably but the people who have them see no issues, so maybe its just me I reckon.... in fact the monitor(a couple of years old only) I have right now is just about pegged on its brightness and I'm thinking its still not quite there.... I would urge you to reconsider testing the pj and your panels transmissiveness, it would only take a few minutes of your time and even if you don't think the results are significant or are misleading , still, it would make some of us happy! and in this crazy world today(cue violins wink.gif isn't gving a few people a little happiness worth a couple of minutes? smile.gif

Interesting, I thought lumens would be posted by now??? cool.gif
kunteper
QUOTE (elken2004 @ Sep 12 2006, 06:07 PM) *
yet to be fully tested,, but so far 330/550 or LL650 is good with this Pro triplet


I would be very intrested in the results... I will be using a 17" LCD, 220/630 fresnels, 22" EFL triplet with a throw of about 9 to 11 feet. I am curious if this lamp will be bright enough with this setup...
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