SPECIAL THANKS TO JWFOKKER for all your help in starting the learning process and guidance. Good to have a mentor when starting these things!

MY PROJECT IS AS FOLLOWS..........TOTAL COST AS OF 5/5/06 $1000

The 15" Haas BOX with standard LL triplet, standard LL fresnels, LL e-ballast, mogul base, ED28 bulb, upper and lower aluminum heat shields, wired back panel with (1) 120mm 120vac fan, fan thermostat, DPDT switch, terminal strip, fuse holder and fuse, and power cord........This unit is a tested by TESCORP shipped and is ready for my stripped LCD and its circuts!

I will use a monitor with just VGA and run a long cable to a box that can do all the hook ups at the components as this will most likely be a ceiling mount. The LCD is a Dell E153FP ($190 on EBAY shipped cost). Nextvision N6 ($122 on EBAY shipped) as the PJ has only a 16 Pin D-sub and a surround sound, dvd player.
I stripped the monitor and prepared for AG removal. I'm not sure what the FFC problem is. The whole thing seemed too easy and there looks like plenty of connector length. Not a problem
UPDATE: MESSED THE DELL E153 DURING AG REMOVAL...NOW GETTING A WESTINGHOUSE 15V5

SOME PROBLEMS with AG removal. Photos in the next day or so.... or maybe later.

Just finished taking more photos of the finishe Antiglare removal of the Dell E153FP. Some problems but i did get it all off. Left some smuges and possibly a few ..what i would call... micro scratches. I hope they dont cause problems.. also looks like i might have manhandled the panel a little too much or the glue holding the other sheet underneath (forgot what it is called) loosened up. Ill put up some pics and the process. Bottom line SHOULD HAVE SOAKED FOR 8 TO 12 HOURS AND BEEN A LITTLE MORE GENTILE.
whole setup with antiglare still on






I kept the metal "box" around the control board by cutting the extra metal. This will be used to protect the circuits in the PJ

Ok, the results are in regarding the Antiglare removal....
I am a father of three boys and I am always telling them to have patience...
I should have heeded my own advice. Funny how its always easier to tell people what to do than to do it ourselves...
Anyway

[first four hour soaking

started one corner

some came up then....not

second 4 hour soak

tried again



The final produc took 12 hours of soaking..then only came off in pieces...i think the polarizer might have been damage as i was trying to take off small peices with too much force and soaking
Hard to know how much soaking is enough but this Dell E153FP could have soaked overnight!

I just figured out how to add photos and will have many soon.

None the the photo link are working for me.


Not sure if it on my end or the server end.


Bill

its my end
i think i fixed them but they are small
i will try to get them larger in the next day or so
thanks bill

hey, i have this very same LCD coming by UPS...actually should be arriving today. was just wondering how long you actually did soak your panel before attempting AG removal. also, how easily did it finally peel up after 12 hours of soaking? from my reading, if it doesn't pull up almost effortlessly, it's not worth trying. was this how it felt upon your second attempt?

also, could you do me a favor and measure the stripped panel and post the dimensions? i don't want to strip the panel until i really have to, and it would help if i could start drawing up designs for my box now.

Capt.:

You get the pic upload working yet? I struggled with it awhile too. The thing is you have to make multiple clicks to actually get the dang thing inserted into your post. If you are still having trouble I can slap together a pictorial tutorial for ya. Mmmm . . . I like the sound of that . . . "pictorial tutorial".

yeah with the anti glare removal you should be careful. i hear new polorisers arent that easy to put on

ignore the naysayers who doubt your craftsmanship and press on.. the results will be worth the time and effort ( and money ) in the end

on the ag removal, i had a lot of trouble removing my ag as well ( soaked improperly / not long enough ) and the ag came off in strips, some with little effort, others with what i'd call moderate effort.. tiny tiny bit of polarizer damage as well.. i think even if its a little difficult to get up, it can still be achieved if you are careful

hope you get your pics working soon

some parts came off realy easy then the AG started to rip. i tried using a teflon spatula carefully but didnt work. i left alot of small scratches. im not sure if they will show up.
As for the soaking it seems as if it may have worked if i soaked it for 8 to 12 hours.
Ill get you some pics in a day or two of the lcd stripped. I wish i had been more patient and tried carefully at 8 hour soak time at one corner. if it didnt work i would have gone to another corner at 12 hours and so on. It seems like the AntiGlare was difficult to peal up...even after 12 hours so unless you can afford another LCD as I will most likely have to get..I say dont bother. Alot of others say they are happy with it on. PS. those Dells take alot of punishment but will fold if to harsh. and dont use anything but your hands and fingernail to pull up the antiglare. anything else WILL scratch the polarizer.

Thanks but i may have put alot of minor scratches on the polarizer and it looks like a tiny piece came up. I wont know what the damage is for another couple of weeks till the completed hass box comes in.
thanks for the input.

As you can see i finally got the photos to work. I will post more as things progress...I should have the TESCORP Hass box within a few weeks

aaaaahh! those pics bring up bad memories of my stuggle into the wee hours of the morning to get my a/g removed... looks like we had the same problems. i only hope your panel ends up in good shape afterwards as mine did with only minor damage.

I am now thinking of getting the Westinghouse 15v5 LCD. Should cost about $150. If i do get it i may
do a comparison shot of a messed up Dell e153fp and the Westinghous...but wont get the box for
another couple of weeks.
any input on the westinghuse is appreciated

I just bought a Westinghouse LCM-15v5 for $163 (express shipped) to replace the Dell E153fp that I MAY HAVE RUINED :angry: :angry: during the antiglare removal...Does anyone have any experience with the Westinghouse LCM-15v5 especially the antiglare removal?
I should have it in bout a week and will post pics.
Its really hard doing this "Underground Project" so the guard (wifey) doesnt see what I am spending. I almost forgot a special thanks to FOKKER for all your help. Good to have a mentor especially during this beginning stage...

Try mixing a small portion of TSP (trisodium phosphate) with it (about 10% avail at HD). It is a surfacant and breaks chemical bonds. I used it on my Zenith LCD and it came up in one piece after overnight soaking. TSP shouldn't harm anything at that solution level.

TSP yeah i remember using that for cleaning when i was a kid...there was a company that used to sell it and i even may have some in the basement...could work as i do remember that stuff did clean pretty well and wasnt too harsh.
thanks

I got bored waiting for everything to come in to finish the bugger so I practiced taking and placing more pics of the basement project where the PJ will go..and here they are
Big one=8' 1972 Hansen Superlite collectible Small one is my son's board

Pool table

See i can make things..$600 to $1200 bucks when earth and plane meet hard!

I think the PJ will go to the left area

Woot Bar area-still need stocking though

You know I LOVE it when people say stuff like that, makes it all the more sweeter when you prove them wrong.

Yeah i hope so..If this works the wife wants me to make one for the beach house to watch during those warm summer nights. I think she may be coming round to our side of the FORCE!
If it doesnt work I will be sleeping on the beach..sounds good except for the bugs and when it gets cold.
thanks for the Rah Rah. good to see every now and then

hmmm I see surfing boards...I see goalie net hmmm

yeah i got bored waiting for the stuff to come in so i practiced with more pics. I will remove these as soon as the box comes in and i can add the LCD. Im soo excited. Picked up the LCD from ECOST.com. I got it in two days and everything looks good. I will wait to get the box befor messing with it.

I ordered the same one. I got mine the next day after it shipped! Great prices on that site, I almost went for a 17. It is an easy strip and easy to lay out in the box. Good luck!

Coool Thanks...great hearing from others who have the same thing and it worked! I do have one stuck pixel...RED!!!!!!...near the top. I saw some sites that say you can unstick a pixel,,not a dead one!!,,, with a program that repeatedly flashes red, green, blue. Others say they massaged the stuck pixel and it worked.
Ill let you know if either worked.

hmm, sometimes a stuck pixel will fix itself, sometimes they won't.... man i heard this so many times in the psp forums

I had a pda stick on green once for no reason.....I put up with it for a bit...but then it just thew me into a fit of rage....So I pushed on it with my thumb very angrily....not really caring if I broke it or not...But to my surprise, the pixel was fixed. This was WAY before I learned about a pixel massage....But it should work for you...psp people don't have as much success because you aren't actually touching the lcd...

My guess is ill do just what you did but probably after the wife gets annoyed with it first. Then of course it will bother me. I have massaged it but how hard is too hard . Maybe ill try it again after i remove the antiglare. Of course ill try to start genltly but who knows. Thanks for the input. Here is the "Little Lazy Bastard!" as i like to call him.

That sucks. But if you happened to be mostly concerned with widescreen, it looks like it would be out of view?? (My glass is half full)
Good luck.
Bluto

out of view only if you were to cover it up with something, if not then the space above the letterbox will have a big red spot....good luck on the massaging

the massaging has not been working. I did get a program from a french site that is great to "exercise" the stuck pixel. You can actually reduce the pixel fixer to just one pixel. I used a magnifying glass and got it on just the stuck pixel. you can actually see it flash the green and blue bars in the lone pixel with the red one constantly on. really cool Unfortunately it hasnt worked even with the massaging but im not done yet. The name of the program is udpixel. A search with that name should bring it up. Pretty neat if you want to just see the little buggers fire up but dont forget the magnifying glass.

How hard is up to you....to me, my pda was worthless with a stuck pixel....So I probably put just enough pressure not to break it....Because I was only halfway decided on breaking it...
And you are massaging while the lcd is on right? Don't know if it works otherwise...
When you get to your last ditch effort...right before you buy another panel...What I would do is push on the pixel from both sides at the same time...basicly squeezing the lcd between your thumbs almost as hard as you can....And I would probably have that pixel fixer software running as well....but again...I'd only do this as a last resort....try rubbing the pixel while the software is running...and also the pixels around it...I hope you can get it to work...

Yeah that sounds like what i might do. As this is already my second LCD and i dont even have the box yet I will take it a little slow. I will run the program a little more and massage it firmly for a while till the box comes in. Then I will use it....then we will see. While I was pressing on it i kept thinking about what you said all the while trying not to break another LCD. Thanks for the input

STUCK PIXEL UPDATE....After running the pixel program for twelve hours and massaging the stuck pixel nothing happened so I will just have to live with it. Pics will be posted once the unit is working to show what it looks like. We will just have to wait for now. I may try this again for a bit after the antiglare has been removed.

aah.. sorry to deal about your pixel misfotune... i had a stuck green pixel on my panel when i first started using it which only showed up when it was supposed to be displaying black. it went away after a day or two of normal use and a little massaging. hopefully with time your may unstick itself as well.

I keep hearing all over the place about massaging the stuck pixel. I think the bastard is just using me for a rubdown and will never work. Anyway, is there a proper way to massage the pixel? How hard do i push the bugger? do i use a towel, eraser, finger? Ill keep working on it. Thanks

i think i just used a tissue and my finger and light pressure in a circular motion and and around the pixel.... i think if it does not work fairly quickly, it may not work at all... in that case you're just pleasuring your lcd with no reciprocation

Here is a pic of the Westinghouse 15v5 control panel. Tescorp will try to "hide" it in the box and use dowels to hit the buttons. I guess I will write on the outside of the box what the controls are. The button centers are almost 3/4 of an inch apart.

hmm, interesting idea

Hooked up the nextvision n6 to the monitor and played a vcr video tape. The darn thing was really jumpy. The tracking wouldnt work! Called tech assist and they said to clean the vcr. Went to walmart and bought the tape cleaner. Ran it four times and nothing. :angry: I then said to myself....Why dont you check the settings again....GUESS WHAT! The nextvision has a setting for 3d enhancement or something like that and it was turned on...hit OFF on that setting and all went well..
Todays lesson...CHECK ALL SETTINGS ON EVERYTHING HOOKED UP!

they still make stuff for vcr's?

what the he** is A VCR?

Hahahah very funny and helpful. Are you sure "Joined: 26-December 05" shouldnt say "Birthdate: 26-December 05"? Yes im old.. and i remember 8 track tapes. how bout that! but really, my kids have alot of disney movies they still watch and yes the quality is not as good as dvd. i was thinking the same thing u wrote but slightly different like "who the he!! still uses the VCR and why am i" Answer... about $300 to replace all those tapes to DVD. OK?

Hey Cap',

I have the same monitor, it strips easy and the AG removal was flawless as I followed religiously what was posted on another PLOG (soak 4 hours, pour more water then wait 8 hours), came off in one sheet with little resistance. I also have the N6, so looks like we will have a similar setup when completed.

R

Awesome...we can compare results. Mine will be overhead. I was looking for your plog and cant find it.

Yep - never started a PLOG - (my membership predates the invention of the PLOG - Member #93) I guess I can upload some pix of the inside/outside etc. Mine is floor/stand type with a separate box that contains the ballast and most of the electrical wiring.

Oh mannnnnn. Start a plog or at least when completed put up some pics. I really want to see how the N6 works with cable Tv...sports especially. If my wife can watch her sports she will be into this PJ stuff and maybe even let me build a better more expensive one. Keep me posted if you start a plog with pics.

how much is the n6?

They run about $200 but i sniped one on e-bay for $123 shipped . It was used but in mint condition. Seems the guy bought it thinking he could use it for HDtv but found out it doesnt work for HDtv. I guess you just have to be patient or pay the full amount. So far i am very happy with it but will wait for the project to be completed before final comment.

The stuck pixel is still there so i think i will give up on it. I may try more massaging after the Antiglare has been removed> I am concerned though because the pixel has run up a bill of a few hundred dollars for the massages and hasnt paid yet :angry: but the tips are good

Yeah...my results we instant....I don't want to make a bad pun here...But I think you just might be stuck with it...