The Official 15.4" Wuxga Q&a Thread Options

[shanenegaard]

ScreenTek offers re-polarization services for $100.00 - seems like a good deal to get the high contrast and transmission we need with no risk in messing up the Panel and having the pro's take care of it...

Here's the link:
Re-Polarization

The info is at the bottom of the page.

This post has been edited by shanenegaard: Mar 15 2007, 11:59 PM

[GadgetSmith]

Interesting happenings with the G2A130 controller... (for those of you still around with the Minoten group buy controllers, and those ordering from Dobie in CA)

I have on a few occations tried using 720p and 1080i inputs to my winmate G2A130 controller with the results being a darker than normal image. However about 3-4 weeks ago my attempts at making it work succeeded, with a nice bright image using a component/vga cable and both 720p and 1080i signals from my xbox360. I've been very happy. However, yesterday I had to disconnect both my power and video cables as I was finishing some new lighting for my theater. Once the job was done, I hooked my power and cable back up and fired her up... dark image. Damn. I felt it was a case of things being plugged in or powered on a certain way that was causing the controller to "hiccup" or something... after trying many, many, many things, today I gave it one more try, and it worked... the image is back to it's same "bright" self. I've spoken with Johnjandran about this and know he's had this problem at times, but perhaps there are others. My procedure was simple...

With everything connected as it should be using the component to vga connector to the controller and with the power on and displaying the "dark" image I simply unplugged the power to the controller by removing the plug from the wall. After waiting about 15 seconds I plugged the power back in, the controller defaults to 'on' when plugging back in, but it did not recognize an input. I then simply turned off the power using the power button on the OSD control board. After waiting a couple of seconds I turned the power back on using the OSD control board... a few seconds later and voila my nice bright image was back ! Hurray ! Why and How ? ... I have no idea, all I know it that it worked this once, but perhaps someone else with this problem can try this out and see if it helps and let me know if this is just a fluke or if it's repeatable.

cheers,
gs

[Natural Newbie]

Interesting happenings with the G2A130 controller... (for those of you still around with the Minoten group buy controllers, and those ordering from Dobie in CA)

I have on a few occations tried using 720p and 1080i inputs to my winmate G2A130 controller with the results being a darker than normal image. However about 3-4 weeks ago my attempts at making it work succeeded, with a nice bright image using a component/vga cable and both 720p and 1080i signals from my xbox360. I've been very happy. However, yesterday I had to disconnect both my power and video cables as I was finishing some new lighting for my theater. Once the job was done, I hooked my power and cable back up and fired her up... dark image. Damn. I felt it was a case of things being plugged in or powered on a certain way that was causing the controller to "hiccup" or something... after trying many, many, many things, today I gave it one more try, and it worked... the image is back to it's same "bright" self. I've spoken with Johnjandran about this and know he's had this problem at times, but perhaps there are others. My procedure was simple...

With everything connected as it should be using the component to vga connector to the controller and with the power on and displaying the "dark" image I simply unplugged the power to the controller by removing the plug from the wall. After waiting about 15 seconds I plugged the power back in, the controller defaults to 'on' when plugging back in, but it did not recognize an input. I then simply turned off the power using the power button on the OSD control board. After waiting a couple of seconds I turned the power back on using the OSD control board... a few seconds later and voila my nice bright image was back ! Hurray ! Why and How ? ... I have no idea, all I know it that it worked this once, but perhaps someone else with this problem can try this out and see if it helps and let me know if this is just a fluke or if it's repeatable.

cheers,
gs

Exact same thing happened to me before.



Also note: remember my crappy reds and blacks (all colors actually, those are just the 2 most noticeable) on the xbox 360?

Here is a link to my previous post http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?s...st&p=205150

Try this fix even if you think your colors are OK, you may be suprised.


Note; When I say G2A, I have the G2A 130

To fix that, plug in main power for the G2A, plug a PC into the VGA port (turn PC on so you get an image)then turn on G2A via OSD panel***. Turn off G2A via OSD panel and leave main power plugged in. Then turn off PC; unplug PC from VGA port. With the XBOX630 off, plug into VGA port with a component to VGA adapter (not transcoder). Turn on XBOX360; turn on G2A via OSD board. Colors were fixed for the most part, blacks and whites are slightly crushed however. Now, if you unplug the main power for the G2A, it will loose this setting and your XBOX360 colors will look washed out and crappy again (at least in my case)

***(also note here you get an extra option called internal brightness that you dont get when the 360 is in the VGA port, but the setting transfers to any VGA signal, make sense?, play around with it for tuning if you like).

This works with the 360 VGA cable as well, however my picture is shifted to the left with the VGA cable at 1280x720. 1920x1080 would not work at all with the VGA cable, it would just default back to 640x480.

I can not say if it will work with a transcoder like the VDIGI; I could assume this method would work though.

Hope gadgets and I info helps you all out!

This post has been edited by Natural Newbie: Mar 16 2007, 10:44 PM

[jonjandran]

New device which will allow Hdmi with HDCP on ANY Lcd .

Coming soon.

http://www.hdfury.com/

Oh and the website has good info on Hdcp and strippers and such stuff.

[semose]

New device which will allow Hdmi with HDCP on ANY Lcd .

Coming soon.

http://www.hdfury.com/

Oh and the website has good info on Hdcp and strippers and such stuff.

Sounds interesting, but a whole lot of this HDCP stuff has been "coming soon" for a long time now.

"This product is exclusively reserved to service center and professionals"

Also doesn't sound too encouraging. I'd still feel much more comfortable with the real thing. Going to call Kontron again in 2-3 hours, I'll report back with any news then.

This post has been edited by semose: Mar 22 2007, 03:49 PM

[sfij]

Sounds interesting, but a whole lot of this HDCP stuff has been "coming soon" for a long time now.

"This product is exclusively reserved to service center and professionals"

Also doesn't sound too encouraging. I'd still feel much more comfortable with the real thing. Going to call Kontron again in 2-3 hours, I'll report back with any news then.

i think it's a paper launch. if the device does a full digital/digital digital/analog bridge then i can tell you a possible price tag: somewhere $500. on the other hand RGB -4;4:4 is one option, but what if not RGB, but component is travelling over HDMI? Just for the log, each mpeg/vc-1 on the discs are storing video in the YCrCb color space.

This post has been edited by sfij: Mar 22 2007, 07:13 PM

[shanenegaard]

Is anyone using a 17" WUXGA laptop screen?

I found a few that have a response time of 8ms,

I have been looking around for a low response time 15.4" lcd panel, but they do not seem to exist.
Has anyone ever found one of those?

The reason is gaming and frame rate.

I was chatting with Dell and their Precision Mobile Workstation LCD is WUXGA and 8ms.

[sfij]

Is anyone using a 17" WUXGA laptop screen?

I found a few that have a response time of 8ms,

I have been looking around for a low response time 15.4" lcd panel, but they do not seem to exist.
Has anyone ever found one of those?

The reason is gaming and frame rate.

I was chatting with Dell and their Precision Mobile Workstation LCD is WUXGA and 8ms.

17" WUXGA has benefit over 15.4" when it has real 16.7M colors. otherwise just more difficult to illuminate. 15.4" act as 17" 4:3 with our projection technology while 17" wuxga is similar to 19"-20" 4:3. the smaller the panel (aperture) the more effficient our projection technology. efficient commercial PJs are using 0.7-1.5" diagonal light modulators.

This post has been edited by sfij: Mar 23 2007, 03:05 AM

[Hirudin]

...
plug a PC into the VGA port (turn PC on so you get an image)then turn on G2A via OSD panel***
...
***(also note here you get an extra option called internal brightness
...
the setting transfers to any VGA signal
...

I've been playing with this setting for a while on my G2A (130 I guess) also. It seems to help a lot, I am now pretty darn happy with my colors and stuff with my contrast at 50, saturation at 50, and the internal brightness setting turned down just a couple points... If any of you G2A owners haven't tried it you should!

Also, if anyone can figure out a new way to activate the internal brightness option (without having to have a PC hooked up) please let me know! Every time I have to change it I have to get up to my projector and switch the cables... big PITA!

This post has been edited by Hirudin: Mar 23 2007, 09:42 AM

[scoodidabop]

Tangent man here again... sorry...

Any quick opinions on the Toshiba? Is it ok for gaming? I see the response is a little higher than I like, but GSX's results with it were awesome..

Opinions?

[jonjandran]

i think it's a paper launch. if the device does a full digital/digital digital/analog bridge then i can tell you a possible price tag: somewhere $500. on the other hand RGB -4;4:4 is one option, but what if not RGB, but component is travelling over HDMI? Just for the log, each mpeg/vc-1 on the discs are storing video in the YCrCb color space.

Maybe not

http://www.divineo.cn/cgi-bin/div-cn/vid-hdf.html

[sfij]

Maybe not

http://www.divineo.cn/cgi-bin/div-cn/vid-hdf.html

yeah. $120 and pre-oder moome @ AVX forum promised a digital/digital stripper for the same price tag, and collected $20 deposit - and we experiencing continous delay...

[freefall]

Have a question for some of you guys using a wuxga with a pc.
Tonight I was playing around with my panel. I hooked it up to the dvi port on my ati800. Threw in a dvd and the actual movie didn't play. I had my crt going at the same time on the same card. Movie played on the crt. Before you start jumping to connection issues. The panel showed my desktop as well as media player which I had at about 3/4 screen. I am using a Sony dvd burner. Is this one of their stupid copyrighting things.

[GadgetSmith]

Have a question for some of you guys using a wuxga with a pc.
Tonight I was playing around with my panel. I hooked it up to the dvi port on my ati800. Threw in a dvd and the actual movie didn't play. I had my crt going at the same time on the same card. Movie played on the crt. Before you start jumping to connection issues. The panel showed my desktop as well as media player which I had at about 3/4 screen. I am using a Sony dvd burner. Is this one of their stupid copyrighting things.

I will take a guess and say that your CRT was likely setup as you main monitor. Video can only be shown on one screen, and not the other. Try simply disconnecting your CRT and you should see video on the LCD no problem. You can also switch so your LCD is the "main" monitor and your CRT the "secondary".

It may also be possible to select which monitor shows video, have a look in the Video Settings of the Cataylst Drivers (set to advanced mode), look for the "Theater Mode" option and you can setup which display shows full screen video. (this is with the new cataylst drivers that run using the NET framework)


cheers,
gs

[freefall]

Thanks Gadget. I tried it without the crt as well. Still nothing.(although I just unhooked it) I'll bet it going into catylist will get it.

[mike8519]

After the fall update my 360 set to 1920x1080 no longer worked on my WUXGA panel with Minoten controller, supposedly due to timing issues. Well there has been an update from MS:

Answering other questions, both Xbox 360 Elite and current Xbox 360 units will have a spring (console) update which adds support for different video levels for VGA output ("7.5 IRE vs 0"). And as someone mentioned, using this setting you should be able to use computer monitors in addition to TVs with resolutions all the way up to 1080p with high fidelity and no issues with HDCP handshaking. So for current users, I highly recommend trying this update with your VGA connection to see if it does the job for you. Note that this is a console update and will work for both games and of course, HD DVD. The HD DVD software update is separate from this (and will be available on both Xbox Live and xbox.com).

Might this solve our issues and revert it back to working status for those of us with 360's?

[GadgetSmith]

After the fall update my 360 set to 1920x1080 no longer worked on my WUXGA panel with Minoten controller, supposedly due to timing issues. Well there has been an update from MS:

Answering other questions, both Xbox 360 Elite and current Xbox 360 units will have a spring (console) update which adds support for different video levels for VGA output ("7.5 IRE vs 0"). And as someone mentioned, using this setting you should be able to use computer monitors in addition to TVs with resolutions all the way up to 1080p with high fidelity and no issues with HDCP handshaking. So for current users, I highly recommend trying this update with your VGA connection to see if it does the job for you. Note that this is a console update and will work for both games and of course, HD DVD. The HD DVD software update is separate from this (and will be available on both Xbox Live and xbox.com).

Might this solve our issues and revert it back to working status for those of us with 360's?

This would be good... At the moment my xbox won't even 'try' to go into a 1080p mode on the vga cable...

[Mehimself]

Engadget : VESA approves DisplayPort 1.1: kiss those DVI and VGA ports goodbye

http:// www DOT engadget DOT com/2007/04/04/vesa-approves-displayport-1-1-kiss-those-dvi-and-vga-ports-good/


Get ready for hot, hot convergence kids 'cause the DisplayPort 1.1 specification was just approved. The new VESA-approved digital interface standard is meant to replace DVI and VGA ports while co-existing with HDMI for HDTV connectivity. As you can see in the picture above, it's about the size of a USB connector yet offers 2x the performance of DVI in a much smaller package. They also bake in a nasty dollop of HDCP 1.3 content protection to keep the Blu-ray and HD DVD kiddies happy. The wee size allows the interface to be included in smaller handheld electronics while enabling direct-drive LCD panels thereby eliminating the need for non-panel LVDS electronics in the monitor designs. Of course it also supports pass-through of DVI and HDMI signals via simple adapters similar to DVI-to-HDMI variety on the market today. So which of our esteemed manufactures will bite first? We're not sure, but VESA isn't shy about using Dell's high-end XPS systems in their marketing collateral. Of course, the question they don't answer is, why not just move everything to HDMI? For that, you just have to look at who backs royalty-free DisplayPort (the PC industry) and who backs HDMI (the consumer electronics industry). Yeah, we know.

[shanenegaard]

The Kontron controller is ready to order and I will be placing an order for one in a day or two.

The cost of the OSD panel model 22010-KHH is $9.00
The cost of the Cable model AD-AC3-US is $3.00
The cost of the power supply model AD-1250 is $25.00 (12V DC, 50W)
The cost of the panel editor (modify controller settings for each panel) is $0.00
and The controller model 21110 CRTTOLCD-7-MULTIMEDIA cost is $250.00

So that makes a full order, a grand total of $287.00

Kontron excepts credit card orders and will also setup Net 30 terms with anyone that is approved.
So who ever, maybe me, that would handle a group buy could do so on terms.
Otherwise, I'm guessing on terms, we could order 1 or as many as needed at any given time without worry.

The ETA for a device from the day of order is 1-2weeks.
I'll post an update when I have the custom cable costs for the Sharp panel.

This post has been edited by shanenegaard: Apr 5 2007, 05:21 PM

[bean_8044]

Did Kontron ever figure out the config file for running the Sharp panel with their controller?

This post has been edited by bean_8044: Apr 5 2007, 09:04 PM

[sfij]

Did Kontron ever figure out the config file for running the Sharp panel with their controller?

no. this is what you have to do with the panel editor (kcwb). I'm waiting for my JAE-30 LVDS stuff from mouser. If I get it then I'll order kontron. Kontron won't make any cables for us, I even sent the LCD's data sheet and got no answers back.
but dunno - in case of a bigger group buy they may do things for us. kancerus was on track with his australian contact to organize cable and configuration, both, but kancerus have not posted here since a month...

This post has been edited by sfij: Apr 5 2007, 11:31 PM

[kancerus]

no. this is what you have to do with the panel editor (kcwb). I'm waiting for my JAE-30 LVDS stuff from mouser. If I get it then I'll order kontron. Kontron won't make any cables for us, I even sent the LCD's data sheet and got no answers back.
but dunno - in case of a bigger group buy they may do things for us. kancerus was on track with his australian contact to organize cable and configuration, both, but kancerus have not posted here since a month...

Ive been busy with other things so haven't been around.

My contact in Kontron said the tech in Germany was working on something else for the company and is too busy at the moment to do anything with our controller - So I am waiting on him to get back to me. I will email him today and tell you guys what he says when he replies.

The fact that its the German tech that is doing this means that for some reason they are listening to my Australian contact more than any other contacts you guys have for some odd reason, because nobody else has had any luck.

[niksoley]

Should be it a alternative? http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?a...=20041&st=0

[maxer]

hi!

i'm very interested in a wuxga panel and relative controller as the one of kontron.
i'm an electronic enginner and i'm pretty familiar with lvds and flatpanel concepts so if you send to me the characteristics of the wuxga sharp screen and a copy of the controller's configuration software perhaps i may be able to program it.On the other hand i can't be sure 100% but i can make a try.

Anyway independently of this i'm interested in bying a wuxga panel and its relative controller possibly with tuner input included.


regards
maXer

[ats314]

Hello everyone. Thanks for all the work you guys have put in to finding a suitable 15.4 wuxga solution. Can anyone give a comprehensive update to this point of what the best monitor/controller pairing is. 30 pages worth of threads is a little difficult to understand and I am a bit lost now. From what I understand the kontron controller and sharp lcd panel seem to be the favorites.. is this correct? Thanks for the update.